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Offline Marin

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What to do when your backing gets wet......
« on: June 19, 2023, 09:26:29 pm »
Hey guys,
It's been about a week since I put my last layer of sinew onto this bow, and since it had long since hardened, I thought it was best to try and put it out in the sun and wind today for a couple hours. I unfortunately did not realize that someone at my house was going to turn on the sprinklers. I grabbed the bow about 10 mins after the sprinklers turned on, and although the bow was on a rock that was not directly in the path of hte sprinklers, it still had gotten wet. I felt the back was quite sticky and brought it inside promptly and dried it. The bow still had its reflex and it did not appear that the sinew was peeling off. I have had to soak the sinew off of a bow before so I know it takes quite a bit of immersion for sinew to come off, and when it does begin to come loose one of the first signs is a relaxing of the bow's reflex.
I let it fully dry and within minutes it was mostly hard and after about an hour or so it was back to normal, though the sealing layer of glue was now a bit more rough. I assume that it was this that had taken most of the moisture and not the sinew.
I was thinking about sanding it really quick with some 220 sandpaper and covering it with another glue sealing layer, but I just wanted to know if you guys think that there are any other precautions I should take with this bow? Have I compromised it?
 I was intending on giving it at least 2-3 weeks to dry (I mean the TBB I advises as little as 10 days in dry climates, and I am in a desert state anyways). Do you think this means I should wait longer, or is the fact the sinew was probably unaffected not affect this either? I can wait longer, but I do have a sort of personal deadline for this bow I was trying to make, and if I still could I would like to. Not worth breaking this bow however.

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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2023, 12:33:08 am »
Marin.  If it were me I would give it a couple weeks in an air condition environment if you can.  Then seal it up.  Just my opinion but this would allow plenty of time to get last of the excess moisture out before sealing up.  Best of luck. 
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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2023, 08:17:31 am »
What glue did you use for the sinew?
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2023, 11:49:42 am »
Hide glue made from Knox gelatin

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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2023, 12:28:18 pm »
Yeah, I think I'd do as Dave suggested.
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2023, 03:30:30 pm »
I had already put a coat of glue on it by the time Dave responsded, sorry. I did it, however, feeling that the bow had fully hardened, it being a day since it got a bit wet. I made sure to lightly sand off the remained with some 220.
Do you think waiting 3 weeks should be fine?

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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2023, 05:05:24 pm »
I think you’ll be fine.  You could still scuff up the sealer you put on with your 220 like you said and then leave it alone for a couple weeks or more in ac environment in the house and then seal it up.  Should be good to go then.   By sanding off the sealer a little it may help ya to get rid of any potential trapped moisture left and then seal it and finish up the bow.  Best of luck. 
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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2023, 05:55:10 pm »
Good idea, I'll go do that right now. Thanks for the advice. How many weeks though since it last got wet should I wait however? Is it okay just to wait 2 or 3?

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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2023, 01:37:57 am »
If in an ac house it should only need 2 weeks I would say then seal it up. If you caught it quick enough and got most of the water wiped off you should be good in a couple weeks. 
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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2023, 12:20:27 pm »
Okay thanks. I’ll give it another week from Monday then seal it up and start lightly  tillering a day after the seal dries. I hope I understood properly  what you meant.
Whenever  someone says a couple, I think anywhere from 2 to 7 so thanks for clearing that up.

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2023, 01:07:40 pm »
If I may say...before you seal the bow flex it, either by floor tiller or even low brace and see if it feels mushy. If it does give it a bit longer drying time.
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2023, 08:25:41 pm »
If I may say...before you seal the bow flex it, either by floor tiller or even low brace and see if it feels mushy. If it does give it a bit longer drying time.

Also good advise. 
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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2023, 01:26:10 am »
Pat,
If I flex it and it feels “mushy”, do I have to then repair it or fix if, or can I just wait longer and leave it be? Like if I bend it and it’s mushy, does that mean I possibly caused some of the sinew to slip?
Also when you say “mushy”, do you mean like the back would be kind of soft or squishy after being bent rather than firm and hard?
Finally, once I put that sealing coat on, can I just wait a day for it to dry before tillering?  Does putting that final coat of glue temporarily affect the preceding layers so that you have to wait longer for it to dry?

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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2023, 10:18:01 am »
What I mean, does the bent bow bend and recover softly or bend with resistance and recover quickly. If it still has too much moisture it will bend easily without much resistance and recovery slowly, like bending a green stave. If you don't over do it, don't bend it too far but bend just enough to feel the resistance it shouldn't affect the sinew/glue matrix. You shouldn't feel any difference in the solidity of the backing.
 Anytime you add glue you are also adding moisture so I'd give it at least a few days, in dry conditions before straining the bow. Again, feel for the resistance.
 Patience is your best tool when making wood bows and especially sinew backed bows.  :OK
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Re: What to do when your backing gets wet......
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2023, 03:07:32 pm »
Do you think I could put on the final “sealing” layer of glue on Monday then? That would be a week since it had gotten wet and two weeks since the last layer of sinew had been put on. I could then start tillering (and I don’t rush tillering anyways) a week or week and a half after that.
Sorry for all the questions, I’m finding that I have these assumptions about sinew and glue that often are wrong or misguided.