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Offline ibex

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Heat Treating Temps
« on: December 24, 2020, 08:28:11 pm »
When putting heat to the belly,  I'm curious to know how warm/hot I should let the back of the bow get for heat treating osage and black locust. I've been stopping the heat when it's 150F or so with osage, but I'm just a beginner at this.
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Offline Marc St Louis

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Re: Heat Treating Temps
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2020, 08:34:53 pm »
I've never actually measured the back temperature but it is too hot to leave a hand on it for more than maybe a couple seconds
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Re: Heat Treating Temps
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2020, 08:58:29 pm »
I do repeated heat treating on white woods with a heat gun. Just one good time with yellow woods. I don't go by temperature. When the bow's back gets hot to the touch all along the limb I stop. It has worked for me so far, but may not be the proper way, so take it with a grain of salt. Badger , and Mark, and some others could help you out to do it the right way. I did it one time just to see how it worked for me with Hickory, and not concerned about the back breaking, and it didn't . I have been doing it that way ever since. When you fire harden a bow the back gets very hot. I have done 5 with the fire harden method, and no breaks yet, but I haven't shot thousands of shots out of any  of  the bows  yet. In the long run I am not sure what will happen. You are tight with the Badger who makes world record flight bows, and Mark who sort of wrote the book on heat treating.  No better sources that I can think of.

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Re: Heat Treating Temps
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2020, 09:00:53 pm »
I was posting at the same time Mark was.

Offline scp

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Re: Heat Treating Temps
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2020, 09:04:41 pm »
We definitely need input from wood scientists or material engineers.

Anyhow, according to my "primitive" speculation,
it appears that "deep" heat treatment should be
around 175°C (347°F) at the minimum and
under 230°C (446°F) at the maximum.
Cf. https://bioresources.cnr.ncsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/1965.1.555.pdf

I want the lignin in wood to be plasticized.
But charring the wood will damage the stave.
I simply set the thermostat of the silicon heating pad
at 175°C and leave it on for 25 to 45 minutes,
in direct contact with the belly.
If the bow starts smoking,
the heat should be turned off immediately.

Offline ibex

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Re: Heat Treating Temps
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2020, 09:06:36 pm »
Thanks alot for the info, I'm planning on talking to Steve G about it too.
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