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Offline jeffp51

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what should I charge?
« on: May 07, 2019, 06:44:43 am »
My Wife's boss and her husband saw the bows I made and now really want to buy one or two from me.  I have never sold a bow before as I have not really trusted myself to do that in the past and I don't want to make a business out of my hobby.  But I am inclined to make them one and I think I am good enough now to make something worth selling.  Prices online for a self bow are all over the map.  What would any of you say is a fair price to ask for a well built self bow?

Offline PatM

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Re: what should I charge?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2019, 06:52:33 am »
Most would recommend that you not sell unless it is a  business.

Offline Pat B

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 07:12:36 am »
I'm with Pat on this. You might have them pay for materials and gift the bows to them.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 07:20:04 am »
I would do it if you are confident in your skill level and your bows. A simple osage bow from me would be $500 minimum.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2019, 07:27:49 am »
If you are set on doing it overbuild and back.

Offline bjrogg

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2019, 07:44:50 am »
I've struggled with this question myself. I've given many more away than I've sold. I have sold a few and so far everyone has been happy. I have never advertised, just people that see my work and would like to buy one. I'm a better bowyer than salesman. I have been receiving more calls asking if I sell bows, arrows and knives. Farming is really though the past few years. I've been thinking of starting a limited amount of sales. Like Jeff said I hesitate to make my hobby a job. I also don't want to overcharge, or undercut those that are trying  to make a living doing this. I also know from experience that people will do things that they shouldn't and break their bows. I try really hard to have anyone I make a bow for visit me regularly and learn how to brace, unbrace, draw and generally care for their bows till they seem very comfortable with them. You just have to assume their going to do anything and everything wrong. Even guy's who've been shooting compound for decades.
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PS maybe even especially compound shooters.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2019, 07:52:48 am »
If you build a good bow you have no concerns. I don't know how many I've sold, near 12-15, Id guess. Not a single complaint and not a single break in 6-7 years. I don't sell much anymore, but when I needed the money I had no reservations doing so. Don't feel guilty and don't feel like your jeopardizing the sanctity of the self bow. You're not.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2019, 08:04:19 am »
Sort of related, I've sold a number of knives but I generally do it for cost of materials to fund the hobby and a few bucks for beverages during the process.

Consider this, what do you do if someone comes back to you with a broken item?  Can you afford to make them a new bow?  Can you afford a weird relationship with them if things don't work out?  What if you know it's their  fault but you have to take their word? People who aren't knife nuts...bow nuts in your case...don't know the things we do, like how to properly care and use what we make. 

For  what it's  worth,  for my wife's boss I'd most certainly do it just for the cost of materials and to gain more experience.   
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Re: what should I charge?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2019, 08:07:27 am »
Riding the fence....both sides of this argument have merit in my opinion. At the end of the day, if you have a skill for providing a product or service that others want and are willing to pay for, that makes you no different than a plumber, lawyer, carpenter or artist who charges for that product or service. I have given away and donated a bunch of bows over the years. I have also sold a handful, without any reservations about it. I think PD’s in the right neighborhood money wise. I have some you wouldn’t offer me enough to sell them and others that are never used for one reason or another. The market place is there and will reward you for good work or put you out of business if the eggs are runny.
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Re: what should I charge?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2019, 08:36:04 am »
I sell often as I have one to sell. 300 for a simple bow, goes up from there. I dont know why it seems tabo to sell. So long as you dont miss represent the wooden bow community by selling junk, nobody should care, or care what you sell it for.  Make it worth your time and materials.  Make it worth a promotion for your wife... make it worth adding him to the local archery club, make it worth a nice date for you and your wife at a nice steak house.   There is no answer to your, how much, question. Just dont sell junk. That's all I can add to this really.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2019, 09:04:29 am »
Just a word of warning...2 that I know of have broken. Both belonged to young people. Both were drawn by someone other than the owner. Neither had an arrow knocked. I write a short story that accompanies the bows I give away or sell. It basically tells the bows story, type of wood, when cut, anything remarkable or interesting about it. But it also gives them a simple list of do’s and don’ts. Don’t let your high school buddy show you how strong he is and draw this 27 inch draw length bow back past his ear. It will break it! Don’t draw it without the proper arrow knocked, don’t leave it strung over night, so forth and so on. I have replaced one of these bows and will replace the other regardless.
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Offline jeffp51

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Re: what should I charge?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2019, 09:58:00 am »
Bob I have done the same with the bows I have given away, along with instructions on proper care and feeding of a self bow.  And right now I am helping a kid build his own, and I am donating the materials for that project, so most of the time I prefer to operate on that level.  With these people, I have the feeling they will treat it better if they pay for it.  Does that seem strange?
I know this is a can-of-worms kind of topic, but I think it is worth having the conversation from time to time.  Almost everyone that sees one of my bows asks me how much I sell them for.  My usual answer is I don't want to ruin my hobby that way, but if you look at the hours involved, here is what it would be worth. . .

I think some of the taboo of selling comes from the possible liability of it breaking. 
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Offline PatM

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2019, 10:01:22 am »
Just keep in mind that  you will be sued into  oblivion if someone gets so much as a bad sliver.

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Re: what should I charge?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2019, 10:12:18 am »
This is always a thorny problem. I agree with most of what's been written.
I give a list of do's and don'ts to people who are not used to wooden bows (see below).
I am less and less inclined to sell to people I don't know.
One problem with giving stuff is that somehow some people seem to value it less.
What I tend to do is have an official price of £300, but sell at £200 or £150 to give me my money for tools and materials.
I make a great point of saying I will maintain or replace a bow if a genuine fault is bought to my attention.
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Care of Self wood bows.                  DH 2012

The biggest danger to a self wood bow is other people!
Don’t let others draw your bow, with or without an arrow in case some macho guy over draws it, shoots it upside down or looses without an arrow etc.
Even an unstrung bow is at risk of being flexed the wrong way by someone who doesn’t know any better.
Always string it yourself . Using a stringer or the push pull method is best.
Some wide tipped primitive styles are too wide for the string loop to slide up the limb. I string these by putting the lower tip on the (soft) ground with the string on the bottom nock, I  stick out my left knee and pull up the upper tip with my right hand with my knee pressing against the handle and slipping the string on with my left. This is fine as the only forces are on the tips and the grip.
Once the bow is strung, check each nock to make sure the string is fitted snuggly; trust me I’ve had a string slip out of its nock. Flex it a few times to a short draw first to get you and the bow warmed up.
If you really must let someone else shoot it, then be sure they use arrows which are only as long as the permitted draw length.
My bows are usually tillered to 1” over the specified length to allow a little margin of error, but this can get exceeded if the wrong string is put on or over twisted. That’s why I shoot arrows of the right length. It would be easy to get carried away at a flight or clout shoot and use an extra few inches of draw. This could be fatal to a character bow, especially a primitive, longbows are a little more forgiving, but can take extra set and loose power if over drawn.
Keep an eye on you bow run your hands over it look at every knot and ripple, get to know how it looks and feels,  watch out for any knocks and bumps. Small dents aren’t a problem (the back of a spoon heated in boiling water rubbed on the surface can draw out the dent), but any raised splinter or damage which cuts into the fibres of the wood may need repair. Get back to me if you notice any problems (E-mail me a picture). Similarly watch out for wear on the string.
My guarantee is my pride in my workmanship. It’s very unusual, but be aware any bow can break and while I will repair, replace or refund, I can’t be liable for any injury or damage (usually limited to a bump or scratch on the forehead worst case even with an exploding Warbow).
People ask, how long a bow will last. There is no good answer, 3 years is a reasonable minimum with regular moderate usage, but having said that one of my Yew bows that is over 40 years old and better now after some re-working than when it was new. I am always happy to help re-work, mend or refurbish my work to keep it in good shooting order.
Measure the bracing height and string length in case you need to make or buy another string. I fit a continuous loop string but a traditional string with a bowyer's knot at one end is fine as long as it doesn’t over brace the bow. (Note I don’t make replacement strings unless I have the bow to hand)

My bows are finished with Danish Oil and then wiped over with a Beeswax based  polish (Lord Sheratons Furniture Balsam is stocked in Sainsburys and doubtless other shops).
The occasional wipe over is all it needs, but if it gets wet, wipe it dry and then wax it in a few hours when it’s really dried out.
Storage:- You want somewhere that doesn’t get too hot and dry or freezing and damp. My garage isn’t heated , but has some hot water pipes running through it, the doors are ill fitting so it’s nice and draughty, it has a bedroom above it and only 2 short outside walls. It is cool in summer and doesn’t get much below 10C in winter, perfect! Ideally a bow should be lying flat, but I have mine standing near vertical. What you don’t want is it slouched at steep angle with piles of junk resting on it.
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Re: what should I charge?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2019, 10:19:26 am »
I might be wrong, but I'm guessing they could sue you if you gave one to them or donated one to. I really don't see anything wrong with selling one if both parties are happy whatever the price. I get the same questions Jeff all the time. What got you started at this? Are you going to shoot a deer with that? Do you sell them? And the one I always get a little chuckle inside from. Not a question but. You could make a lot of money doing that.lol
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