Whip tillered

[DC]

All else being equal would a whip tillered bow be slower than a "properly" tillered bow? May I ask why?

[sleek]

I disagree... lmao




I think whip tillered bows would shoot a heavy arrow faster than an otherwise tillered bow. It's my impression that whip tillered bows are more efficient than otherwise.

I reserve the right to be wrong.

[SLIMBOB]

I think string angle on a whip tillered bow would cause it to be slower pound for pound. Although I too reserve the right to reconsider upon further review.

[burchett.donald]

  Outter limb weakness, not allowing the whole limb to perform under it's full potential...
                                                                                                                                    Don

[MattZA]

The "standard" theory suggests a whip tillered bow loses cast due to string angle.

However - it likely has lighter outer limbs which cause such a tiller shape. Perhaps this makes up for the string angle? (I too reserve the right to be wrong)

[Dances with squirrels]

I wonder if it matters what sort of limb action is better, faster, more effective, etc depending on 'what' it's throwing... a light arrow or a heavy one? You can adequately throw darts with your wrist and forearm. Try that with a shotput.

[gutpile]

whip tilled bows may not shoot as fast to full potential of the wood but they are sweet shooting , virtually no hand shock and pretty accurate... IMO... gut

[George Tsoukalas]

If they are made intentionally make them a few inches longer to cut down on string angle and as gut pile said they can be sweet shooting. Jawge

[Selfbowman]

Interesting when I get caught up a bit I might try one. Sounds like a tiller nightmare for me! But I remember being talked into building a pyramid bow. I think that this will require a longer  bow which means longer arrow.  Which means more mass. All from less mass of limb to transfer energy. Hummm! But then scientists Arvin has been wrong a bit!  Arvin

[bradsmith2010]

I think it could shoot fast

[DC]

What brought up this question was me thinking about RD bows. Depending on how much reflex in the outer limbs you start out with I was thinking that your bow could be "whip tillered" without looking like it. Matt's suggestion of string angle got me thinking that in the case of RD's the outer limb can be weak but the string angle will be fine because of all the reflex you started with. So in that case where the outer limb is weak but the string angle is good is it still 'whipped".
I agree with Del in that it's just terminology. If you start out with a Molle and just keep scraping the tips at what point does it become whipped?(hypothetical question )

[MattZA]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks these things all day long, DC

As it happens I'm currently working on my first R/D bow. Beautiful piece of ash spliced into a minor deflex. I'm going to reflex the outer third right up to the very tips. Then I'm going to keep the final five inches static by laying down a strip of purpleheart that will serve as a nock tip that becomes a stiffener for the static. Purpleheart handle. I think it'll look great against the white of the ash.

Only reason I'm telling you this is because I'm now considering adding more reflex and then whip tillering it a bit right up to the beginning of the static reflex.

[DC]

About the only advice I can give is the more reflex you try to put in the more it will pull out. I think there may be a point where it just won't take any more.

[upstatenybowyer]

  Outter limb weakness, not allowing the whole limb to perform under it's full potential...
                                                                                                                                    Don

This makes the most sense to me

[Woodely]

Imagine this topic has come up hundreds of times,  always thought the last 4" of the tips should be on the stiff side for decent performance.