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Offline sleek

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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2016, 03:57:45 pm »
I really do need to get better at thinning these things though.
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2016, 04:12:05 pm »
sleek,
    Seems every time I throw in my two cents....it gets real ugly real quick. Here are photos of the ones I use, they are patterned and sized from actual artifacts of this area. They dont seem any smaller than your example. I've killed several deer with them, one arrow each, and no long trails. The DNR Regional Commander said they are perfectly legal as well.
    The last 2 pictures are artifacts from a dig in OHIO and they are smaller than mine or yours.
I dont consider myself unethical, and would not use them if I thought that they were.....but the final decision is yours to make....get close, shoot well, the head will kill cleanly.
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2016, 04:17:26 pm »
Rich, i am always happy to hear ypur opinion. Thanks for the pics. I wish i could nap like you. Those are some amazing looking points.
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2016, 04:30:36 pm »
Sleek, keep in mind that if the stem on the green one is narrower than the shaft, any sinew wrapping will not grab the point. Mine are shaped pretty close to that, but with a stem that is a tiny bit wider than the arrow shaft. How do they fly and how does their weight compare to the field points you use?
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Offline half eye

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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2016, 04:41:23 pm »
Sleek,
    The knapping is done by Dan Hamblin (UTAH)...I am lucky enough to be his friend and he knapps them to my specs ( we call them girly points)....Dan is a member here. I also like my heads to be flint/chert and not obsidian, also they are "well ridged" meaning they are not super thin as I believe the point is better supported AND the thicker head "pulls the hide/meat" into the cutting edge and will make the wound bigger than the head is wide.
    I posted a deer kill using a 42" and 42# bow that was gifted me....shot that big doe clean through using a girly point.
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2016, 04:45:07 pm »
Thats some interesting logic there Rich. Makes sense.
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Offline Outbackbob48

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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2016, 06:26:19 pm »
Sleek, just make sure when you attach your head that you have a smooth transition from the arrow to the point. Your points will get better with time also. Just my .02 worth, My first point that I killed a deer with was kinda thick and ugly but sharp and flew well. Bob

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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2016, 08:07:59 pm »
I also like em thick.like 3/8. .the stem tapers in thickness.  Besides what has been mentioned , it also keeps the weight up, which, for me, helps with tuning. In obsidian, the thickness helps offset the inherent brittleness of the material.
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2016, 08:10:16 pm »
Please, Have a half dozen matched shafts and points ;)
And at least 45# of draw. Most important-- target shoot until
you can hit a pie plate at 30 yards consistently. :o
You won't regret it.  :) I'd be glad to overnight you six points if
you think that would help until you are confident with your own.
You pick up the postage. >:D
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2016, 10:23:55 pm »

 

Zuma thats an amazing offer. I am considering it. But i went through and mocro flaked the edge. Look sharp enough now?
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2016, 10:26:26 pm »
I don't see a problem as long as it is scary sharp, and no rough edges that will impede penetration.
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2016, 11:49:40 pm »
Well its certainly pointy enough. The edges leave scratches on my fingers when i drag them across, i dont know how much pressure would be needed to draw blood, pushes through paper easy enough.
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2016, 05:24:24 am »


Now I have three. I am still on a steep learning curve. Getting a flake to trave right now would be a great thing.
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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2016, 08:43:41 am »
Looking better with every one you make bud. Keep at it,  you are leaps and bounds ahead of me for sure.  I know you will get it lined out!

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Re: Is this an ethical point to hunt deer?
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2016, 08:44:23 am »
Nice points Rich

Sleek those points are looking good. Indirect pressure is like using a punch usually made of antler. You put the antler punch on the plat form you want removed at the right angle you give it a smack and you flake come off. Sounds easy lol. It takes practice.
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