Question about lashing together a handle splice

[make-n-break]

Has anyone had any experience or luck with lashing together two billets at the handle with no glue?
I have a hickory board with awesome grain that's 4 feet long, 3/4 thick, and 6 inches wide. I want to rip it in half and trim a little so I essentially have a 3 inch wide by 6 foot 'stave' to work with once spliced. I'm shooting for 50 +- pounds at 28". Pyramid style.

For the handle area, I would make the ends of both billets have a 4" handle, lay them on top of each other, shape them a little for comfort,  and lash then together extremely tight with hemp. I have the equipment  to make a traditional V or Z splice, but I really wanna try something different just for the sake of fun, unusualness, and experimentation.

I'm thinking it's going to be very difficult to make the transition from handle to fade to working limb. Advice? Abort mission?

[bubby]

I can't remember his handle on here but there's a fuy here in Alaska that haa done some unique takedowns like that

[make-n-break]

Bubby I think you might be referring to fiddler49. I've seen a couple of his unique bows, cable backed etc. Can't recall seeing his lashed take down.

[bubby]

Yeah that is him make n break

[PatM]

Fiddler uses bolts and lashing.

[bubby]

He used dowels and lashing too Pat, I thought he did one just lashed

[Dakota Kid]

Half eye, Rich, just posted examples of this kind of bow in the trade thread. It should be on page 110 about half way down. In his example the splice was reinforced with flat slats of leg bone on either side, then lashed together. It was considered a takedown and wasn't glued at all. 

[PatM]

He used dowels and lashing too Pat, I thought he did one just lashed

   Yes. bolts to set it up and then replaced with dowels. Pretty sure there is a lashed only one but the dowels align everything a bit better I would think.
http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/54709/Alaskan-Molly-build-68-lbs-31-finished-pics
 

[John Scifres]

Sounds like a neat project.  Try it.  Post pics. I'd go with 2" wide for a 50#er if it were me, assuming good hickory of course.

[crooketarrow]

  Take down sleeve's are way easier. Than cut joints. I've made 3 Osage take down for people.

  I saw a ways back someone talking about nuts and bolts. Come on holding a cut joint together.  Not very primitive.

  Couple Indians setting around the camp fire. Hay pass me the 9/16's.

  I think some of you need to step back and rethink about your primitive trail backwards. And what you'd like to end up at the trails end.

  I hope your trail never ends but sadly we all die at our trails end.

[PatM]

How did you make those primitive take-down sleeves?

[Swampman]

How did you make those primitive take-down sleeves?

Yeah, please share those primitive takedown sleeves.  I would like to see how they are done.

[Dakota Kid]

Now that would be a neat project.

 I bet it could be done with leg bone if one had the patience and precision.   

[PatM]

Now that would be a neat project.

 I bet it could be done with leg bone if one had the patience and precision.   

   It's been done with rawhide and sinew but there is no museum evidence of those two Indians saying "hay, let's saw our bows in half with a string and sand and then join them back together".

[John Scifres]

I don't think make-n-break was going for "primitive', just "something different just for the sake of fun, unusualness, and experimentation".  That's OK with me at least.

Now you gotta make it even if you do break it