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Offline carpholeo

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IPE is some strong stuff!
« on: March 01, 2015, 07:47:13 pm »
So i got this IPE board cut out to 3/8 at the tips, 1-1/8 at the fades, 3/4  thick and 64" long... and the thing will hardly bend.  I want to back it with bamboo but im wondering how thin will i need to make this for it to bend?


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Offline Pat B

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2015, 07:57:10 pm »
I'd pre-tiller the ipe so both limbs bend evenly and together until you can bend it into the reflex you want.
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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2015, 07:57:53 pm »
just did a boo backed ipe, with 1/8 inch of boo.  it got to good floor tiller at about 3/8" of ipe plus the boo
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Offline carpholeo

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2015, 09:12:09 pm »
Wow! i should slice it in half and make 2 bows then

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2015, 09:18:30 pm »
Yes. And make it no wider then 7/8" out of the handle.
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Offline adb

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2015, 09:27:20 pm »
Yes... you could easily get 2 bows out of it, especially if you're going to back it.

Offline carpholeo

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2015, 10:51:48 pm »
7/8 at  the handle with a straight taper to the tips at 3/8, or should i go 1/4 at the tips?

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2015, 05:59:11 am »
Ipe is about twice as stiff as most common bow woods (maples, oaks, elms, osage,… modulus of elasticity: c. 22 vs 10-12 for these other woods). So for the same total limb thickness you can make the limb nearly twice as narrow throughout its length as you would for these other woods (and end up with the same poundage). So if you normally make limbs 1 3/4” (~4.5 cm) wide, make them 7/8” (~2.2 cm) wide for ipe. (you could also make it a bit thinner if you still prefer a 1 1/8” wide bow; but the backing should be accordingly thinner as well).

I’d make the tips also narrower than usual (but not narrower than its thickness), as Ipe is very heavy (dense) wood.

Don’t be fooled by thickness either: suppose your stave at ¾” (19 mm) pulls 100#, removing 1 mm (about 3/64”) reduces it to 85#, 2 mm to 71#, 3 mm to 60# and 4 mm to 49#.

How to calculate this: take ratio of thickness, raise it to the third power, and multiply by draw weight at initial thickness; e.g.: weight at 19 mm = 100#.  Expected draw weight at 15 mm =100# * (15/19)3

Force draw curves on straight (long) bows are fairly linear. If I take my own FD curves for straight bows, weight at 28” is about double of the weight at 15-16”. So if you carefully tiller the bare ipe belly to 15”, you can estimate what it would be at full draw.
Suppose you have 3/8” belly of ipe drawing 15# at 15”, and want to add 1/8 of bamboo, the expected draw weight at 28” would be c. 65-70# (if the MOE of bamboo is the same as of the ipe).

Or you could just do it like most people do it, by experience, gut feeling and fingerspitzengefühl. If you lack these (like I do) you can use such arithmetics to compensate for it.

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2015, 06:53:05 am »
You lost me the calculus stuff. Lol. I guess I'm old school. But that was interesting

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2015, 07:25:58 am »
Forgive the question but what is ipe?
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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2015, 07:36:28 am »
I beleive brazillian walnut
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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2015, 10:47:00 am »
Yep, braziian walnut is another common name, though it's not in the walnut family.  Tropical hardwood.  Commonly used as flooring on outdoor wood decks ... expensive outdoor wood decks.
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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2015, 10:50:07 am »
I'd pre-tiller the ipe so both limbs bend evenly and together until you can bend it into the reflex you want.

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Offline carpholeo

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2015, 12:18:16 pm »
joachimM, my head just exploded

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Re: IPE is some strog stuff!
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2015, 12:28:06 pm »
Yah... me too. I think you're putting way more into bow making design than there is. And, making wood bows by 'feel' is the best way IMHO. Wood is wood, and each piece is very different, even of the same species, or even from the same tree for that matter. I don't think blueprints and mathematical designs work for wood bows. Just my opinion.