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Offline paoliguy

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Glued on handle pop quiz
« on: June 23, 2014, 12:46:35 pm »
I finished up an Ash board bow this weekend. 50# plus at 28" it has a glued on handle. After a few full draw shots I hear some distinct pops. I'm sure it's the glue joint failing. Do any of you have any advice as to how I might fix it? I thought of cutting it off or steaming it off and attempting to re glue. Maybe eliminating the handle, reducing the draw weight a bit and keeping it a bendy handle. I thought a couple of other things when it popped but I can't repeat them...
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Offline Blaflair2

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 12:48:35 pm »
If it pops off u can glue thin lams to build it back up. The thin lams help it from popping off
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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 01:08:53 pm »
You need fades to keep that handle on. If it pops, its bending. The fades stop the bending before it gets to the handle and pops it.
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Offline paoliguy

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2014, 01:13:30 pm »
I think you've both hit on something. I have always in the past layed up handles and my fades have always been a bit longer too. The handle was for sure bending very slightly, I could feel it.

Thank you both, I knew I would get encouragement to take another swing at it here!
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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 01:16:11 pm »
Like this.
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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 01:22:24 pm »
I had this problem a few times  - I've added a lam on the back of the bow that goes past the fades a few inches, that will stiffen up your fade area and keep the handle from bending.  Bubby also had a really good solution - add a 16" lam to the belly, then build up your handle with additional lams, then re-tiller since your fades will be stiffer.  Depends which surface on your bow is better for Glueing I guess.
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Offline Aaron H

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 01:26:55 pm »
That looks awesome pearl drums!
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 04:28:18 pm »
Here is an example of 1/8" lams feathered into a limb to build up a glued on handle. This handle will never pop off.

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 05:32:49 pm »
Another good example. Fades are second to tiller on my "important list". They can make or break your bow as easy as a poor tiller can.
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Don Case

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 07:09:31 pm »
Quote from: paoliguy on June 23, 2014, 12:46:35 pm
I finished up an Ash board bow this weekend. 50# plus at 28" it has a glued on handle. After a few full draw shots I hear some distinct pops. I'm sure it's the glue joint failing. Do any of you have any advice as to how I might fix it? I thought of cutting it off or steaming it off and attempting to re glue. Maybe eliminating the handle, reducing the draw weight a bit and keeping it a bendy handle. I thought a couple of other things when it popped but I can't repeat them...

Will you post a picture form the side so I can see how much fade is not enough? To compare with the ones already posted. I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours :D :D :D This one started to pop off and I filled it with CA. I "seems" to have stopped but I haven't shot it that much. You can see the width of the glue line. It was nice before.
Thanks
Don
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Offline Hamish

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 08:43:58 pm »
The type of glue you use can mean the difference between a handle that stays on or not. A  relatively rubbery glue like titebond 3 is more likely to lift at a fade with a shallow belly lamination, than the same joint glued with urea formaldehyde or a top bowmaking epoxy(not an average hardware epoxy).
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Offline bubby

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 09:39:21 pm »
Quote from: Hamish on June 23, 2014, 08:43:58 pm
The type of glue you use can mean the difference between a handle that stays on or not. A  relatively rubbery glue like titebond 3 is more likely to lift at a fade with a shallow belly lamination, than the same joint glued with urea formaldehyde or a top bowmaking epoxy(not an average hardware epoxy).
  Hamish



I have to disagree totally, I use almost exclusively tight bond glues and have no issues with handles popping off or laminated bows delamming
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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2014, 09:52:25 pm »
I used West Systems. I've had no problems with it but this handle pop-off seems to be a special case. It seems to be the extreme test for glue and gluing.
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Offline paoliguy

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Re: Glued on handle pop quiz
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2014, 10:18:50 pm »
Thanks for all of the great responses. I used Titebond 3 on the handle in question but I think it's more related to the fades like PD said. I tried pulling it again tonight and there is for sure some bend in there. I will post a picture if I can figure out how. Thanks again, I will post an update in a few days.
Mark
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2014, 10:52:01 pm »
Quote from: paoliguy on June 23, 2014, 10:18:50 pm
I will post a picture if I can figure out how.

Knowing how to post pictures is pretty much necessary on this site. If I had to explain my questions with just words I'd be lost :-[ :-[ :-[
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