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Offline arachnid

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2014, 03:23:54 pm »
Thank you all guys.

Blackhawk-
I think I`ll go on with your dimensions. Just 1 thing I didn`t get- Is there no taper at the thickness?
Is it 1/2" fades to tips?

Offline bubby

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2014, 05:28:33 pm »
if you want a bendy handle and want to add thickness to fill your hand you can use strips of leather glued together and then shape or us cork, I have used both and mostly use the cork and the handle will still bend
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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2014, 05:49:43 pm »
Arachnid, I still would like to know the thickness of the ipé board. It's apparently over 70" in length, 1 5/8" wide and what thickness? You may be able to get two bows out of that board.
There is obvious grain run off, but not terrible enough to render the end useless. I think I'd personally cut the board to 66" for now. After the glue-up, the ends probably need to be trimmed so you'll end up with 65" or so. I'd make it a bendy handle, but that is personal.

One powerlam (about 14" length, very gradual taper from zero to 1/8" thickness in the centre) will really stiffen the handle of the bow. If you would add three or even two lams of 1/8", you will have a stiff handle. So, do you want a stiff handle or a bendy handle?

There will be some thickness taper, but that needs to be determined during tillering. For the glue up, start with about ˝" of ipé. Floor tillering probably requires ˝" total thickness (bamboo included), tapering to 7/16" (total thickness again, ipé+bamboo). Most tillering will be done in the area from mid limb out to the tips, where the thickness will end up to be lowest. But you shouldn't worry so much about the thickness, since that is determined during tillering and is different for every bow. You just need a figure to get you started with the glue up, and that figure is ˝" ipé (and max 1/8" bamboo).
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Offline arachnid

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2014, 08:50:57 am »
The board thickness is 3/4". But even if I wanted, I can`t rip it since I don`t have a bandsaw nor a tablesaw (and a jigsaw is not suitable).
I`m not going to back it with bamboo but with white oak, 1/8" thick. I`ll cut it a bit longer (say 64")
and go on from there.
I`ll start in the next few days and keep you all posted.
Thanks a lot guys. It`s so good to have such a supportive community!

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2014, 08:54:25 am »
Yes you want to thickness taper all your lams backing included...guess ya only got one bow in there then,unless ya wanted to make a tri or quad lam ;)

Offline arachnid

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2014, 10:59:54 am »
I`ll stick with ipe & oak for now. Its my first run with ipe, I want to
keep it as simple as possible.

Just one thing you guys didn`t mention- how long should I make the reflex? I don`t what something too extream,
just to add some speed and looks.

Offline PatM

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2014, 11:46:26 am »
If you want it simple just make it a straight bow.

Offline arachnid

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2014, 12:33:35 pm »
I meant as simple R/D bow as possible.... 

Offline bubby

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2014, 03:44:26 pm »
if you don't thin the epe before glueup you wont get a d/r, it's to friggin' stiff, if you want some reflex at that starting thickness glue it up and with the w oak down place a 2x4 block under the center section of the bow and clamp the tips down, that is if you use tubes as clamps, simple reflex with simple tools, Bub
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Offline arachnid

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2014, 09:06:55 am »
I`m planning to thin down the ipe, make sure it bends a bit and only then glue up the oak backing
and give it the reflex.
I think I`ll make a build along so guys can see the process.

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Offline kleinpm

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2014, 02:44:44 pm »
I have been following this thread closely. I have a bunch of Ipe but didn't think of using red oak to back it. Hope your build is a success.

Patrick

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2014, 03:33:19 pm »
it's a white oak backer, humongous difference between white oak and red oak
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Offline arachnid

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2014, 05:22:14 pm »
Patrick, Its my first time with ipe and I`ve seen people back it with white oak so I thought- "Hey, why not?"

If we already mentioned the white oak, I have strips, 1/8" thick, sawn from a straight grain board.
It should do as backing, right? I don`t have to use any "special" backing strips, right?

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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2014, 05:26:52 pm »
white oak is a great backer as long as it has straight grain, quartersawn or flatsawn?
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Re: white oak backed ipe dimensions
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2014, 10:40:30 pm »
it's a white oak backer, humongous difference between white oak and red oak

Thanks for pointing that out. I meant white oak, but now I know red is not as good as white for backing strips.

Patrick