you go get them Chris.i have hunted stone the last two years and have yet to get a shot.i will press on until I get it done.last year I had a buck at 30 yards.i was in a natural blind with a selfbow I made and a cane arrow with obsidian point.i don't shoot that good.it was hard passing the shot,but it was the right thing to do.this year will be my year(I hope).if not,i will still have fun doing it.good luck this season brother.