Thanks again Pappy, no I don't want use your brain just pick it for imfo, I met you 2 years ago back when we had the big flood, made a hickory bow, had a great time missed last year due to the passing of a good friend of the family.If I make it this year I have been ssaveing up a lot of john stone for the knappers, I have plans to make it but you never know what might come up. and if I do and we have another flood its not me ok.