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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2012, 03:47:46 pm »
It won't stop tickin, but it also won't break. Pulled + 32" just trying to see if it will stop ticking/brake. Nothing...  >:(
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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #76 on: February 16, 2012, 03:51:23 pm »
How does the tiller look now?
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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #77 on: February 16, 2012, 03:55:48 pm »
Roughly the same, the fade are a bit stiff still, and majority of the bend is in the middle of the limb, where the bow was repaired. I have got some set on the lower limb of the limb that was repaired, ill post a pic in a sec,...
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 the lower part is raised up,
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 the part that has too little is increased."

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #78 on: February 16, 2012, 04:25:11 pm »
Here is the bows unbraced profile. Despite logic, the limb with all the set on the right is the one that is fine. The limb on the left with less set is the one that was repaired and is still ticking. The limb on the right had a deflexed spot so I had to kinda leave it alone to get it tillered right.



Here it is drawn to 30", the arrow I am drawing is exactly 30". The bottom limb here is the one that is ticking.



I just don't wanna break it on purpose if I can salvage it, my tiller only goes to 32" and I don't think that il do it. I have it braced at 6 1/4" right now. Ridiculously the top one is the one that looks like it should brake.

(Please disgard the pajama pants  >:D)
 
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 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2012, 04:45:44 pm »
I never seen you in anything but pj pants man! Just keep it as is and run a few hundred arrows through it and see what it does. Im stumped on the ticking sound you hear. You can see the nasty hinge starting on that lower limb, maybe thats the culprit.
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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2012, 04:55:31 pm »
Quote from: PEARL DRUMS on February 16, 2012, 04:45:44 pm
I never seen you in anything but pj pants man! Just keep it as is and run a few hundred arrows through it and see what it does. Im stumped on the ticking sound you hear. You can see the nasty hinge starting on that lower limb, maybe thats the culprit.

LOL, I need to get a freakin job.
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 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

Offline Buckeye Guy

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2012, 06:25:47 pm »
Toomany
If you have twist going on in the recurves you may be hereing the string moving in the nocks !
Try a little  wax to lube it and see if it goes away
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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #82 on: February 17, 2012, 02:56:18 pm »
That was a good idea buckeye guy, I have had that happen before. I ended up deciding I would like a sinew backed bow better even if this wasn't a "ticking" time bomb, (hehe) and ended up taking the patches off. After taking the linen wraps off, the linen fabric patch seemed to be doing fine. I'm 1000% positive this bow would of held together, after pulling past 32" over and over again, having it braced at 7" and over, and only getting a like of inch set on the repaired limb, and an inch and a half on the limb that was already deflexed a bit. I just would rather have a sinew backed bow that didn't tick when I pulled it. I think the break was opening up a bit and ticking, but the linen patch and linen wrap was holding everything together despite the break still being there. If it was a heavier bow it would of probably blown. Anyway, I still have no idea still what nasty hinge you see on the bottom limb Pearl. It looks stiff around the fades to me, but other than that the bottom limb looks like it is bending very evenly? Anyway, this guy is getting a sinew back. Will update with pictures...
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 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2012, 07:59:08 pm »
Linen patch under the linen wraps:



Seemed to be doing a great job along with the linen wraps of holding the bow together, when you figure I have a crack/break all the way across the limb... and still no hinging, excessive set or anything on the repaired limb. Even after abusing the bow trying to coax the limb to snap if it was going to.

I have just about enough sinew for one layer, (plus a little extra sittin there on that recurve form just incase,  ;))







I wanna try ta put it on like I saw this turkish bowyer guy do on youtube. Ill post a link to the video if I find it... QUESTION: I have seen some Korean bowyers sinew up to the nock on horn bows, and without adding sinew wrapping around the end. I know most people sinew up to the beginning of the recurve, and than stop. I was thinking about doing it that way, but instinctively I just wanna add sinew wrapping around the end to prevent lifting. And also to reduce weight on the end as the recurves don't do no real work or nothin... Just wondering what yall think...
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"The way of heaven is like the bending of a bow-
 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

Offline Buckeye Guy

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #84 on: February 17, 2012, 09:14:23 pm »
2 questions
did you fill the crack with super glue?
what are your plans if it still ticks when your done?
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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #85 on: February 17, 2012, 11:03:48 pm »
Quote from: Buckeye Guy on February 17, 2012, 09:14:23 pm
2 questions
did you fill the crack with super glue?

I don't trust super as much as everyone else. I always have it fail on me. I think in tbb the super glue family of glues rated just a tiny bit better than hide and sinew glue when it was tested.

Quote from: Buckeye Guy on February 17, 2012, 09:14:23 pm
2 questions
what are your plans if it still ticks when your done?
Guy

Blame is on the sinew.  :laugh:

EDIT: After googling it, I think it was actually 20 - minute epoxy I am thinking of. Either way, no, I haven't super glued it. I'm too chicken to bend the bow enough for the fracture to open up anyway.

EDIT #2: Here is the video on youtube, where the bowyer just lays the entire limbs width of sinew down at once instead of how people lay it in smaller groups in the brick pattern:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7UFKPJDojs

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"The way of heaven is like the bending of a bow-
 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #86 on: February 18, 2012, 06:10:47 pm »
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 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

Offline Buckeye Guy

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #87 on: February 18, 2012, 06:30:08 pm »
One reason many of us have started using the super glues on cracks is so we don't have to try to get them opened up to get the glue in! the super glues seem to work better on wood and fingers than on other things !
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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #88 on: February 18, 2012, 06:48:18 pm »
I have been using the gel kind. Probably why it hasn't been working to good for me. You right buckeye guy, I should of put some super glue in the crack, I just haven't been thinkin very clearly lately... I admit I was a bit hesitant to open er up.
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"The way of heaven is like the bending of a bow-
 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

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Re: Snakey hackberry
« Reply #89 on: February 18, 2012, 07:03:19 pm »
Quote from: toomanyknots on February 18, 2012, 06:10:47 pm
Pearl, in reply to your paleoplanet post on recurving warbows, I don't see in any light how you could claim that fixing a crack in the back of a bow is outright impossible.

If you got beef with a post on Paleoplanet, take it up there, not here.
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