hey gang, i have been making self, recurve,and just recently i have made two holmgard bows, one is a red oak bow aprox 60 inches at 40 pounds at 27 inches of draw that is a sweet shooter, and my new hunting and all around bow a osage holmie 57 tip to tip that pulls about 55 pounds at 27 inches it is very fast and smooth, ill get some pics asap, im going to shoot it at cloverdale this weekend. holmies are nice but can be tricky to tiller,but are well worht the effort.