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Offline Blacktail

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about west coast bows
« on: June 06, 2011, 02:58:48 pm »
at the central Oregon gathering...Keenan had a book about Indian archery...some of the topics in the book was about west coast bows and side view pics...the bows that where shown had very rigid handles..i didn't know that some of the bows from the west coast had such stiff handles...most of the stuff i have seen is bending handle area...i wounder why this is...does any one have pics of west coast bows with stiff handles..i am hoping patrick might have some info on this...thanks john
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2011, 04:30:17 pm »
Well, dang, that a new one on me.  When you see a stiff handle on a California "Indian" bow that usually means the bow was made after 1900. 
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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2011, 07:25:42 pm »
Aren't the Modoc bows westcoast and stiff handled?
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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2011, 08:16:26 pm »
I dunno, do you see a stiff handle on any of these Modoc bows?
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Offline ErictheViking

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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2011, 08:21:39 pm »
O.K. I thought wrong. I have seen boows made by others that called them Modoc, but  must h ave been just a stiff handled pyramid bow that someone called Modoc. Nice pics Patrick btw.
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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2011, 08:26:43 pm »
Phew...for a minute there I was sweating... :)
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Offline Lee Slikkers

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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2011, 08:49:15 pm »
Patrick, would a bow of this style be tolerant of a knot in/near the handle area...it is actually a raised hump on the bows back but comes out as a knot on the bell.  It is a very wide Sassafrass stave that I have scraped down to one ring on the back.  I'd love to take a rasp to this hump and smooth out the profile of the bow's back (since I plan on covering the back with whitetail rawhide regardless) but I am not sure even with this backing if it ok to violate the back of any bow on purpose...

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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2011, 08:52:43 pm »
I don't know if I would risk shaving down that knot on the back.  You can wrap the handle with leather in a way that will "hide" the bump, I think?
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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2011, 08:56:30 pm »
Thanks Patrick, my gut was yelling the same answer to me ever time I looked at it and considered that idea  ::)  A handle wrap is a very good idea to help hide the hump, thanks for coming up with the option!
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2011, 08:57:35 pm »
 :)
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Offline Lee Slikkers

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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2011, 09:15:52 pm »


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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2011, 09:46:26 pm »
holy cow this took off..o.k. pat if the bows are stiff handle then they are after 1900's...it really got me to thinking if i was doing them the right way...i really raised an eye brow..thanks john
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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2011, 10:22:56 pm »
I know ya didn't ask me but I found some rigid handled Northwestern Costal bows with stiff handles, some from the Bearing Straight Eskimo, and some from the Northern Sioux, and the Northern & Western Cree. The Costal bows are attributed to the Tlingit and the Yupik (western Arctic), and some from the Makah.

I dont want no part of the arguement, but here's the pics. PS: I did not check all the bows but I know that one was collected in the 1800's by an Army Officer.
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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2011, 10:24:34 pm »
a few more
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Re: about west coast bows
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2011, 11:23:19 pm »
Thanks for posting some inspiration there Rich..... ;D

West coast style bows rock
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