Hornbow handle splice for cupid-ish bows with reflexed limbs

[toomanyknots]

Just curious if anybody knows of a link or website where i might find examples of this, atarn has been to no avail so far... I'm just curious. Thinking of making a very light weight little wooden bow with reflexed limbs for fun. This is what I'm talking about:

http://atarn.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2021

I wanna make a handle splice that will have the limbs relfexed forward already without having to steam bend the limbs, no matter which way I type it is sounds confusing to me, .

[half eye]

toomany,
       Lost all my pics when the hard drive went down....but relocated these. A horn plate bellied bow from Jiayuguan, Gansu. It came from a grave and is cool because it wass not assembled. You can see the splice they used , and the horn/bone grip reinforcement plates (one back and belly) and the bow's shape if it were to be assembled.
      Not exactly what ya wanted but may give ya some ideas, of one way to do it.
rich

[toomanyknots]

Wooaah, thank you richard! I didn't expect to see one like that!

"Lost all my pics when the hard drive went down"

Hate that. I usually have to delete mine from freaking adware or some unknown virus. Or at least I did until I learned that it was my actual virus protection software that was infecting my computer! I guess it's a good business model,  . After getting rid of it haven't had any problems at all for a year.

[aero86]

v-splices are generally used for horn bows.  do you happen to have adams book on turkish horn bows?  it has everything you need to know for building a horn bow.  i know you said all wood, but your going for that style. 

we seem to have the same idea.  i was gonna build a bow this way. was going to use a bigger block of wood, v splice the limbs on at an angle and then glue in some kasan's..  was gonna try to build a mild korean style bow  out of osaged backed with sinew.

[toomanyknots]

"v-splices are generally used for horn bows.  do you happen to have adams book on turkish horn bows?  it has everything you need to know for building a horn bow.  i know you said all wood, but your going for that style.

we seem to have the same idea.  i was gonna build a bow this way. was going to use a bigger block of wood, v splice the limbs on at an angle and then glue in some kasan's..  was gonna try to build a mild korean style bow  out of osaged backed with sinew."

Heres my ideal:



Wood handle cut at angle with miter saw and limbs.







(or preferable SINEW.)

[toomanyknots]

[aero86]

hope your gonna go for less of an angle.  idk how much draw youd be able to get with just a wood bow. 

my thinking behind the v-splice..  like i said, id use a big block for the handle, glue them on, then shape the handle.  then lay the sinew over that, that way, once the handle is shaped, the sinew will help to reinforce the whole joint, as it will be applied to all pieces of wood involved in the joint.  id really like to see the mock up of yours though.  ive got pieces of osage drying right now.  should actually be ready to be worked..

[Del the cat]

Hi guys,
Great thread, @Halfeye, thanks for posting those pics...V interesting.
This is even more stuff I'll have to get round to some day...this darned 'to do' list just grows and grows .
Us guys have it soooo tough .
Del

[PatM]

No wood can handle that degree of setback. The best you could do would be Ipe or Osage glued to a backset handle/powerlam with annother powerlam on top of that feathering out and then a hickory back strip over that and sinew on the hickory.
 Basically like your diagram with the belly strip wrapping around that handle piece and your curves much more subtle.

[toomanyknots]

"No wood can handle that degree of setback."

I believe that it can if the dimensions are right, which would be wide and thin. As well as a perfect pyramid taper and consistent thickness which usually gives a perfect circular tiller. Coarse that ain't nothing but words, if you wait a while I should have one ready and sinewed up sometime, kinda is my next little project. On these bows the longer the levers are like a molly the more draw you get out of the bow for the less the limbs actually have to move. The limbs would just be prestressed alot. Oh, and those pictures were just drawings, not to scale but just to give an idea/help me get a look at what I was thinking in my head
. I probably wouldn't have that much setback in the handle, I was just showing the way to make it.