I quit all that about 21 years ago. My first go aqround at making bows was pretty hap hazard. I have a whole bunch of weird stuff I tried, one of the weirdest things I did was build a snail farm to harvest the snail snot and use it as a skin lubricant. My wife thought I was nuts. 25 years later their are snail farmis in business doing the same thing. I had to e email the article to my ex wife just to rub her nose in it LOL.