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Offline Kviljo

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Reflex/deflex (pics)
« on: March 05, 2010, 06:34:49 pm »
This is my first real reflex/deflex, or rather it was.

It was 45# @ 27", and was shooting like no other 45-pound bow I have made to date. It died when I was about to say "done" just after taking the pictures.

The air is very dry right now, and it didn't loose much reflex at all. I tried to see where it lost relfex along the limbs while tillering it, but I do admit it is not easy with this design. It did break 2/3 in from the upper tip, but I can not find any flaw either in the glue lines or in the wood. - so I guess I was simply demanding too much bend out of that area. It should have been bending more in the outer part of the limbs.

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 06:45:03 pm »
What a shame, I love the clean simple uncluttered lines of the grip.
Better luck next time...it's all hard won experience.
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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 06:49:38 pm »
well it was pretty anyhow...  :) Hope you keep the next one together!   :)  Beautiful finish work
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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 09:44:44 pm »
I hate breaking bows, especially finished ones, but it goes with the territory. Nice job (up until the breaking part  :P). Maybe too much bending at the fades  ???
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Offline venisonburger

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 11:31:49 pm »
Nice style but it looks like all the bend concentrated in the fades.
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Offline medicinewheel

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 03:49:40 am »
Uhh, too bad! - What wood was it??
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Offline Kviljo

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 07:10:06 am »
Ash, beech, cherry and walnut.

I'll start on a new R/D soon. Quite interesting design.

Offline Cromm

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 08:13:55 am »
Sorry to hear it didn't last.
I like what you did with the grip.
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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 09:48:38 am »
Yes the grip looks pretty awesome. it looks like you overlayed the  a cordage wrap with wood? am i lookin right??  How does that work?
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Offline Kviljo

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2010, 11:47:01 am »
That's about right, Aries. I wrapped the grip with cordage and soaked it with glue. Then I filed the back and belly flat to be able to glue the extra pieces of walnut onto it. I think I might re-use the grip on the next one.

Offline Keenan

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2010, 12:04:01 pm »
bummer, it happens

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2010, 12:21:04 pm »
Your bow looked real good Kvilo.  I've seen super dry air take out plenty of dependable bows. It can be such a fine line between a bow lasting forever and one blowing on the tree.

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2010, 12:58:03 pm »
Cool looking bow!  8) ...and I agree the R/D design isn't an easy task achieving proper tiller but I think you nailed it.  8)   Where was the failure, in the wood or a glue joint?
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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2010, 04:28:24 pm »
It broke about 2/3 in from the right limb. The glue line between the beech and the cherry did fail in the break, but I think the backing went first. I broke the other limb on purpose, and it snapped quite easily. On that limb, the glue line did not fail. The backing was quatersawn ash with no real flaws, and should be pretty safe so I'm a little puzzeled by it.

I think perhaps it was a combination of the low humidity and the choice of woods that led to the breakage. Ash is usually stiffer than beech, so the beech just under the ash backing might have put extra stress onto the ash. It should probably also have been bending more in the outer 1/3.

Perhaps? Any expert tips on the R/D-design is very much appreciated :)

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Re: Reflex/deflex (pics)
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2010, 04:37:54 pm »
I personally have a hard time finding proper tiller with a R/D bow so I've only made a few. I've never used ash as a backing either but I know others have. Hickory or elm are two other options for backing if you have them available.

Anyway, cool bow. Looking forward to your next one. 
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