Jamie- Thanks
![Grin ;D](http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
. I just found a new vien, so I just had to- cleanest stuff I've seen around 'ere. I was suprised they worked, considering I've heard that primitive firing has a high rate of failure. Guess lettin' it sit by the fire before hand really helped
![Smiley :)](http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
, the turtle would be really proud
![Cheesy :D](http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
.
Cowboy- Until fired, it'll always turn into mud (I had two others drying outside get caught in the rain
![Cry :'(](http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/Smileys/default/cry.gif)
). As for cleaning, if you can't find a clean vien, just go through and pick the big stuff out. The little stuff adds to the temper I guess. John and Geri McPherson's books helped ALOT, especially on the explanation of what the temper is for and how to go about firing (slowly
![Grin ;D](http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
).