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Bows / Re: Common mistakes in deflex/reflex bows?
« Last post by Aussie Yeoman on December 13, 2025, 07:48:35 pm »
Here's one of the two designs I'm currently playing with. The tips are essentially dead-even with the back of the handle at rest, the limbs pretty straight at brace.

To get this profile, it needs to have an amount of reflex equal to about 80 mm (3 1/4") of reflex on a straight bow. Which I assume would need maybe five inches of deflection during glue up, to account for spring-back.
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Bows / Re: Bow Testing 2023 / 2025
« Last post by simk on December 13, 2025, 07:39:12 pm »
wiellie: I glue these up with no deflex but i think they are on the edge. a lot of strain on the inners. but beautyful shooters. They are very light in mass, 400-450gramms. narrow like 34mm. but it only works with the very best material - and bloodwood is pretty stubborn at taking set. then rather chrysals away spontaneously. as you see the osage took plenty set. it probably shows what would have been be the best amount of deflex for the glueup. you can put more and more reflex into a wooden bow but they always settle in to where they want - at least with me. I would suggest glueing in a little deflex. Probably should make one new slightly deflexed caul for me as well. A little deflex out of the grip is always a + I'd say. It also allows you to make the bow a little shorter  than straight bow. The asl is straight out of the grip. maybe the tapered powerlam makes it looks a little deflex. 
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Bows / Re: Rule of thumb for stored energy
« Last post by simk on December 13, 2025, 07:04:59 pm »
Now how should I really apply or implement these number into a build? 
The only numbers I care finally is what comes out as fps. The fps do not only include stored energy, but the contracdictory factor: limb mass and inertia.
The build itself works after general principles for me. In dont measure anything. Even if you you understand bow mechanics, bowmaking will only work by specific tinkering.
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Bows / Re: Bow Testing 2023 / 2025
« Last post by willie on December 13, 2025, 07:04:29 pm »

Willie: The laminated boloodwood semi-recurve had a similar profile like pics 1 & 2 - just less deflex

The laminated yew maple bamboo was a classic asl longbow, 66"


so not much deflex needed to place high on the list?   
Was there any deflex out of the handle with the clasic ASL?
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Bows / Re: Bow Testing 2023 / 2025
« Last post by simk on December 13, 2025, 06:38:56 pm »
found pics from the bloodwood build on the phone - that was probably from the start of the tillering process - the limbs pull straight later at fd.
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Bows / Re: Rule of thumb for stored energy
« Last post by Badger on December 13, 2025, 06:04:11 pm »
This is an interesting prospect.

What's SEPDF?

 Stored energy per draw force.
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Bows / Re: Bow Testing 2023 / 2025
« Last post by simk on December 13, 2025, 05:51:18 pm »
Yes Tuomo, do only trust your own numbers  :) Maybe there will be another test in 2027. Next year I will have the visitors build a bow with me at the fair.
The fast bloodwood bow was pretty new. I dont even have a pic - passed it to the new owner right after the testing. The Yew/maple/bamboo was maybe shot 200 arrows. The fast yew selfbow was the same as in 2023....because I was interested in how much it lost.... a loss of 1fps is pretty good...the bow was regularly shot in these 2 years.
Willie: The laminated boloodwood semi-recurve had a similar profile like pics 1 & 2 - just less deflex aka set  and was 64.5" ntn - the one on the pic is even shorter and the osage took clear set - nevermind, this is a fine bow to shoot.
The laminated yew maple bamboo was a classic asl longbow, 66"
The yew selfbow was from a natural deflex stave, somewhat 66" - its my personal selfbow
The  next was a osage recurve this year, classic recurve, pretty pronounced and steep hooks, not mine, no pic.
Hickory backed bows always perform poor. Its a massive difference to the same bow backed with boo.   
cheers
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Bows / Re: Rule of thumb for stored energy
« Last post by Aussie Yeoman on December 13, 2025, 05:14:59 pm »
This is an interesting prospect.

What's SEPDF?
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Bows / Re: Common mistakes in deflex/reflex bows?
« Last post by Aussie Yeoman on December 13, 2025, 05:03:40 pm »
Ah! I see. You mean #6 here? http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,73421.0.html

Or perhaps Post #13 in the same thread?

The D/R bows I've seen that are done well do seem to look pretty much dead straight when braced. I did some analysis of a couple and at full draw the bent limb looks to have the same degree and shape of bend as a straight bow with a ~7 inch brace. Doing that bit of graphics was pretty informative, because an elliptical bow at brace has very little bend at the inner limb. Which is something I probably didn't do well the time I tried.
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Bows / Re: Common mistakes in deflex/reflex bows?
« Last post by Badger on December 13, 2025, 04:54:33 pm »
I was referring to the photos of bows in the other thread about bow shapes. I find that if the limb is straight at brace, I am in pretty good shape, but if it is still showing the dip from the deflex, it is under extremely high tension on the string and will twist itself into a knot.
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