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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by BrianS on November 10, 2025, 08:08:12 pm »
God Bless you Pappy. I enjoy reading about what you are up to at your place. Today I was feeling a bit down and your post inspired me to get out and do some more hunting later this week.
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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by Pat B on November 10, 2025, 07:59:28 pm »
Boy, life is definitely good at Twin Oaks. Congratulations to you and Beau.
 Glad to hear Miss Joanie is doing so well. Please give her my best thoughts.  :OK
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Shooting and Hunting / Re: 2nd for te year
« Last post by Pat B on November 10, 2025, 07:43:48 pm »
Boy oh Boy, Pappy. Your pendulum is swinging back in the right direction. Congratulations. That is a nice buck, a real fighter right there. I guess the rut is in full swing.  :OK
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Shooting and Hunting / 2nd for te year
« Last post by Pappy on November 10, 2025, 07:17:43 pm »
Killed a nice 7 point Thursday morning about 8:30, he had a brow tine broken off and a G 2 broken in half, lots of scars and wounds from fighting, 166 lbs , biggest body deer I have killed in a long while. had 117 inches of horn even with all the broken stuff, loved to have seen him in his glory before he got all beat up. :) Heart shot him a 8 yards with my old faithful Osage bow, spruce shafts/Wild turkey feathers of my making and a 160 ace head. He ran 75 yards, of course all down hill.  :) :) He will make a lot of meat and a beautiful hide with just one hole, the arrow lodged in the off shoulder.  :)
 Pappy
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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by Pappy on November 10, 2025, 07:00:39 pm »
Beau killed another big doe, now more meat to work on, got my last one to process it is on ice and Beau's to skin and process, was going to skin his this morning but at 30 degrees and 30 mile hour winds I decided to wait until tomorrow. I am doe only now and probably won't get out much until the rut dies down a bit, got plenty to do in the kitchen and 2 more hides to rack. Hope yall had a good one also. Life is Good. :)
 Pappy
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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by Pappy on November 10, 2025, 06:56:03 pm »
Jimmy Blackmon showed up to work on an old stave Gary Davis had given him 10/12 years ago, I spotted it right off and knew it was one of Gary's, he made some good head way on it , Gary made it easy to make good head way pretty fast. ;) I sure miss him. :( I got Beau's deer cut up and ready for the freezer, I am feeling more like my self again Hunting/skinning and processing deer this time of year and it feels pretty good.  :)
 Pappy
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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by Pappy on November 10, 2025, 06:49:44 pm »
Then it was my time  :) #2 for me, he was 166 lb 7 point, had a brow tine broke off and a G2 broke half off, you could tell he was quite the old warrior, still green scored 117 inches. I heart shot him at 8 yards and he ran 75 or so. I shot him with Old faithful [Osage] spruce shafts with wild turkey feathers and a 160 Ace head.Easy track but not such as easy drag out. Got him skinned the next morning, hide fleshed ready to rack and head ready to euro mount, the sprayer is one Clint [osageoutlaw] sent me to get the brains out when you are mounting one, he knew I love to save them and this thing works like a champ, pushing them right out mostly intact. use it on everyone I euro mount. :) :)
 Pappy
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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by Pappy on November 10, 2025, 06:40:44 pm »
Didn't show picture of Beau's weapon because it had training wheels on it  ??? ;) :) But it was a nice 137 lb 8 point and made about 19 lbs of burger and 21 lbs of steaks plus 2 shoulder for the Classic feed.Got it all cut up and in the freezer. My girls love this time of year, fat and sassy.  :)
 Pappy
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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by Pappy on November 10, 2025, 06:36:27 pm »
I went down to the cabin last Sunday evening to help Beau track a deer, It was late getting it out so decided to stay a few days, had deer to sking and cut up and a few more projects that I had put off the last few weeks, Miss Joanie is doing much better and with cell phones I felt pretty good about her being at home alone. Have been having some problems with kids coming in on ATV's and 4 wheeler's so needed to put up some cables and signs, don't know what is wrong with people but happens everywhere it seems. :) New signs and getting meat ready from Beau's deer to package.  :)
 Pappy
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Hello!

New member to the forum here and avid bowyer. I'm working on a some horn/wood/sinew builds for the first time and have a few questions. I've read through most of the horn bow forum but I hope I'm not repeating old threads. I'm attempting to assemble several bows this fall/winter and hope to have them broke in (or broken) this spring/summer. Since the available material on various methods is still relatively sparse to this day I was hoping to answer some of my questions here. Thank you!

Has anyone experienced with using multiple shorter lengths of horn? I've read that using a butt splice on a non-working portion of the limb is safe. I believe that Jim Hamm suggests using up to 5 shorter pieces on one belly, with one splice around the fades and a second toward the exterior of the limb. Has anyone tried this? I have both long strips and shorter horns that I am planning on experimenting with. I have both american bison and water buffalo horns that are about 16 inches long whole. I haven't processed them yet.

My other question concerns core woods and methods. I have a nicely reflexed elm stave that I am considering using for a single piece core. I have not read anywhere about folks building horn bows with a single piece, though there a many severely reflexed self bows with stiff siyahs. I know that the core is usually built backward of a self bow, so I was curious if anyone has played with this. I've had good success inducing steep and thick curves using steam.

I'll lay out the specs and combinations of core and horn materials methods I plan on using below. If anyone with experience would like to chip in some thoughts, I'd really appreciate it :)

#1 Ottoman horn bow. 50" ntn, single piece elm core used with the outer growth ring as the back/sinew side. Two long water buffalo horn strips for the belly and WT deer leg sinew for the back (likely 3 or4 layers). Hide and fish glue mix for the bond. I know this is a little bit longer than typical for these but it's my first and I want a bit of room to breathe. I'm shooting for a 65-80# @ 28" draw. I believe it's not really worth making these at a lower draw weight otherwise you underutilize the materials?

#2 Ottoman horn bow. 48" ntn, sugar maple core. Apple or maple siyahs, glued with a v splice. Same horn/sinew combo as above and same glue. Same range of draw specs but built using instructions found in Karpowicz's book for the core joints.

Next I want to play with the shorter horns I got to see if this works:

#3 Korean bow. 48" ntn, apple core with maple siyahs. I plan on trying three 12 inch strips of water buffalo horn. My question here is whether i should use the inside or outside bend for this. Or should I use an inside bend for the handle/fade piece and two outside strips for the mid/outer limb. The siyahs will be six inches, glued with a V splice and side-laminated with horn strips. I also expect to glue 3-4 layers of sinew on the back

#4 Egyptian bow. 50" ntn, sugar maple core made with single piece and outer ring as back/sinew side. four 12 inch strips of american bison horn strips with butt joints at the handle and somewhere mid limb and sinew wrapping at the joints. This one will just have a sharply angled and setback handle and long but fairly even and gently recurve along much of the limbs. I believe this design produces a more even strain along the whole limb and is not built the same as many composites with distinct siyahs.

I do plan on grooving all my mating surfaces and using a fish and hide glue combo for my joints. My understanding is that a mixture of both allows for a longer set time while maintaining good strength and elasticity.

 
Anyways, I know this is a mountain of work, and there are so many variables here. I will try to post pictures of them at various build stages and hope to tease some feedback out of folks! I expect some setbacks and long wait times so please go ahead poke some holes in this as there is plenty of time for me to course correct, and plenty of other projects to build!

Thanks folks! (--)
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