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Arrows / flight bow and arrows
« Last post by bassman211 on Today at 01:38:37 am »
Lately I have been attempting to make double barrel  Turkish style arrows to do some flight shooting with some of my fastest bows through a chrony. I made 5 arrows, and non of them flew perfectly, but with a 36lb fire hardened hickory bow with a 285 gr arrow my  grandson shot one special arrow that flew the straightest  200 yards, or more. I need a new battery for my rangefinder. That was special. This is the first attempt at flight shooting with my own bow,and arrows, or any bow. To make an excellent bow from wood is one thing, but making a perfect shooting  Turkish flight arrow is something else. It was a fun day, and I will keep honing my skills to try , and make a more perfect flight arrow.
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Bows / Re: Fire Hardening
« Last post by Robert Pougnier on November 22, 2025, 05:54:54 pm »
I believe that's a question for Marc St Louis.

I have zero experience with Osage, but have made many white wood bows. My understanding is that many whitewood species are great in tension but relatively poor in compression. Heat treating the belly of these woods helps to balance that out and creates both a safer and more efficient bow. I've had a few bows, mainly sugar maple and cherry, which have fretted badly after receiving a heat treatment. Other than that, heat treating them per MSL's instructions in TBB has helped me make bows that keep a much better side profile and are generally much more efficient and durable. It can increase poundage significantly too, and if you are worried about overpowering the back then you can back the bow with sinew or other to have a really durable and fast bow.

I think that Osage is one of those woods that is so dense and elastic that heat treating it would be likely more risky than beneficial. But I've never made an Osage bow so I could be totally wrong.
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Arrows / Re: Quiver, by request
« Last post by Pat B on November 22, 2025, 05:31:25 pm »
Very nice woven quivers.  :OK   I've made a few basket style quivers over the years.
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Bows / Re: Fire Hardening
« Last post by Hamish on November 22, 2025, 04:36:52 pm »
I've never heard of anyone trying it with osage. Osage is denser already. It is also more susceptible to getting drying cracks than whitewoods. Osage also doesn't like to be bending at extremely low moisture content, as it becomes brittle in tension.

I don't know the scientific reason that makes the heat treatment improve whitewoods. I'm guessing it could be something like the air still in the wood cells, and vessels is heated out, the empty spaces shrink, and compress the wood, leaving more lignum for the same dimensions??? Or it could be some other sort of chemical reaction?

Denser wood species, possibly don't have as much air trapped in the cells and vessels, so there is less opportunity to compress, and therefore not as much change for  improvement to occur.

Pure speculation on my part. Hopefully someone with the correct knowledge will chime in soon.
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Bows / Re: Hop hornbeam static recurve
« Last post by Robert Pougnier on November 22, 2025, 02:47:40 pm »
I came back for another look, and this time noticed the quiver. Can I ask you to make another post just about the quiver?

Link to the quiver(s), just posted in the "arrows" section


http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,73397.0.html

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Arrows / Re: Quiver, by request
« Last post by Robert Pougnier on November 22, 2025, 02:46:15 pm »
Photos of Ash quiver.

I gave someone here an almost identical quiver to the umbrella sedge one over a decade ago, It may have been seen on PA before.
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Arrows / Quiver, by request
« Last post by Robert Pougnier on November 22, 2025, 02:44:25 pm »
Here are some photos of a couple of woven quivers.

The first is made of umbrella sedge (papyrus sp.) harvested in south carolina. 25 inches long by 3.5 inches in diameter. Stiffened with a length of meadowsweet. Comfortably holds a dozen arrows.

The second is made of black ash harvested in vermont. The weavers were split in half which make them pretty smooth.  24" by 4 an 1/4. Holds 18+ arrows.
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Bows / Re: Hop hornbeam static recurve
« Last post by Robert Pougnier on November 22, 2025, 02:30:45 pm »
Sure thing! I will make a post.

I'm not sure how long the string will last, It's fairly overbuilt and after about 5-600 shots it's not showing any sign of giving. It's well served at the nocking point. I'm keeping a close eye on the loops as I am wondering the same thing. I've only had one hemp string snap and It was strung on a hungarian style composite my friend had. I suspect the strain on the loop ends was much greater.
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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by Parnell on November 22, 2025, 02:16:41 pm »
Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving, Pappy!
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Bows / Fire Hardening
« Last post by Burnsie on November 22, 2025, 01:36:03 pm »
I just watched a video of Clay Hayes making an awesome fire hardened hickory bow.  Got me wondering - as good as Osage is for a bow wood, would there be any added benefit to give it a fire hardening treatment? 
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