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Bows / Re: Tillering advice: This thing is kinkier than...
« Last post by WhistlingBadger on Today at 11:12:52 am »
Is that one of those new trans or somethink bows ie  Identifies as straight but is really crooked?
I think it's a bonsai tree that identifies as a bow.   ;D   )-w(

I made a Yew stick bow that looks very much like that for one of my field archer chums. He enjoys the quizzical looks and comments he gets from fellow archers.
Del

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that at the next shoot.  I'll try to post a back picture tonight.  The only places the string aligns with the limbs are at tips and the handle.  It'll be interesting to see how it shoots.

Last night I wrapped the biggest knot with sinew and hide glue, since that's the most likely place for it to come apart.  I plan to put a few arrows through it tonight if the weather is decent.  Stay tuned...
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Bows / Re: Tillering advice: This thing is kinkier than...
« Last post by Del the cat on Today at 06:11:40 am »
I made a Yew stick bow that looks very much like that for one of my field archer chums. He enjoys the quizzical looks and comments he gets from fellow archers.
Del
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Bows / Re: Tillering advice: This thing is kinkier than...
« Last post by Hamish on Today at 01:13:21 am »
Is that one of those new trans or somethink bows ie  Identifies as straight but is really crooked?
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Bows / Re: Tillering advice: This thing is kinkier than...
« Last post by WhistlingBadger on Today at 01:00:03 am »
Came out 45# @ 27".  Looking forward to putting some arrows through it once this wind dies down.

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Bows / Re: Straight bow, optimal tiller profile (VirtualBow)?
« Last post by willie on December 17, 2025, 06:23:22 pm »
Also, the more whip-tillered the bow is, the more efficient it becomes (the reason here being lower tip mass)

Although the tip area with the steep taper is somewhat lighter, I dont think those FPS are attainable because the max strains in bow 9 are 73% higher than bow 4

Of course not! Those are only theoretical values within given boundaries; there is no set, for example. When modelling bows made from natural materials, it is important to interpret the results correctly – what is realistic and what is not. This is where practical experience in making natural-material bows becomes essential. You can learn a lot from theory, but you should not believe everything.

Virtualbow is a nice tool for modeling theoretical bows.  The properties of natural materiels is of course, much more complex.

(From the other thread)
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viscoelastic material properties are time-dependent. A well-known example of this is that with a fast release we obtain a higher arrow speed than with a long anchor at full draw. Thus, the main reason lies in the intrinsic material properties, which we do not know well enough and which are difficult to model accurately. In practice, we must rely on measured data. For example, the measured difference between hickory and bamboo backing is both interesting and important.

I find operating virtualbow to be much easier than determining a working stress to design to.
Has having access to a thickness sander made your materiel testing any easier?
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Bows / Re: Bow Testing 2023 / 2025
« Last post by willie on December 17, 2025, 06:11:01 pm »
Willie: I do not have a good explanlation for these findings. The only thing I could think of is that hickory maybe has more strectch than boo and thus does not "stress" the belly lamiante like bamboo does. However this idea does not fit into virtual-bow-logic as there is no stretch parameter. My "stretch" must somehow be connected to MOE and here the differences betwween boo and hickory are not so big....yes boo is a little stiffer.

Other - maybe related - question: Why do we have different stress on back and belly if we bend a piece of wood?

How much a backing stretches is controlled by a number of factors. not only the stiffness (MOE) of the backing but the relative thickness of the backing.
Also, if there is a larger or smaller difference between the stiffness of the backing and the belly material.




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Bows / Re: Tillering advice: This thing is kinkier than...
« Last post by WhistlingBadger on December 17, 2025, 03:53:28 pm »
What's the length, t/t? What is the draw length and draw weight now? How much sinew have you added to this bow?

It's 60" ntn, another inch or so tip to tip.  It has four layers of sinew.  Currently pulling about 43# @ 25".

Kinkier than a garden hose wrapped around a lawnmower.

That tiller looks good considering the limbs each leave the handle at a different angle.

Good one.  Mrs. Badger said it's kinkier than a presidential mistress.  I'm actually fairly tickled with how good the tiller looks, given where it started.  The right limb looks stiffer at full draw, but it's got more reflex unbraced, so I think it's working about as hard as the left.  And some of the spots on the left limb that look like they aren't bending are either knots that I left stiff on purpose, or little reflex kinks that straighten out rather than bending into deflex. 

Just wish I hadn't had to remove so much weight to get there.  I might try to get it to full draw  27" tonight and see what the weight is looking like.  I'd like it to be at least 50# to hunt elk; 55 would be better.  I'm guessing it'll be fairly close but a little under.
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Bows / Re: Straight bow, optimal tiller profile (VirtualBow)?
« Last post by Mo_coon-catcher on December 17, 2025, 09:55:05 am »
#4 is closest to what I would want for that profile. I would want it a smidge stiffer in the outer where the tips Eiffel Tower. Still some bend but just noticeable when sighting down the limb. And just slightly stiff the first few inches coming out of the fades, not much but just enough to tell it’s not bending as much as the rest of the wide portion of the limb.

Kyle
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Primitive Skills / Re: Life is good
« Last post by Pappy on December 17, 2025, 09:43:44 am »
I will do that Pat, he has been struggling with his cancer and they are about out of options, so he has been a little down lately. Going in for some kind of new trial this week I think,so he has some hope that that will slow it down.  :(
 Pappy
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Bows / Re: Bow Testing 2023 / 2025
« Last post by Tuomo on December 17, 2025, 05:28:55 am »
Willie: I do not have a good explanlation for these findings. The only thing I could think of is that hickory maybe has more strectch than boo and thus does not "stress" the belly lamiante like bamboo does. However this idea does not fit into virtual-bow-logic as there is no stretch parameter. My "stretch" must somehow be connected to MOE and here the differences betwween boo and hickory are not so big....yes boo is a little stiffer.

Other - maybe related - question: Why do we have different stress on back and belly if we bend a piece of wood?

I think the main reason is that different wood and grass species have different rheological properties, and therefore their viscoelastic behavior differs. For example, hickory is well known to perform excellently at very low humidity but is generally sluggish at high humidity. Its intrinsic properties vary with conditions (both external and internal). Additionally, viscoelastic material properties are time-dependent. A well-known example of this is that with a fast release we obtain a higher arrow speed than with a long anchor at full draw. Thus, the main reason lies in the intrinsic material properties, which we do not know well enough and which are difficult to model accurately. In practice, we must rely on measured data. For example, the measured difference between hickory and bamboo backing is both interesting and important.

The second question "Why do we have different stress on back and belly if we bend a piece of wood?". In theory, a homogeneous, symmetric bending beam should have identical absolute values of tensile and compressive stresses within the elastic range. However, in a bending bow there is also an axial force (a force in the direction of the bowstring), which affects the stress distribution by introducing additional compression force. As a result, the compressive strain is higher than the tensile strain, and this effect is also modeled in VirtualBow. In reality, there are additional material and geometrical factors that influence the stress distribution, each contributing its own effect, but which are difficult to model.
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