Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: YewArcher on July 26, 2008, 07:13:37 am
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Just finished up my new bow.
Here are the specs:
76" Nock to Nock
Pacific yew 40 RPI
125@32"
Took aboout 1/2"of set with about 200 arrows through so far.
This stave started out as a basket case. It had a 1" of deflex and about a 60 degree propeller twist. It took alot of work to get a bow out of and all the way I had my doubts until the end! Now at the end I am nothing but pleased with this bow.
Here are some pics: (The one on the bottom is the new bow the other is my old bow used for size refernce its 90#@32")
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/Mary%20Rose%202/unbraced.jpg)
Bottom Nock:
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/Mary%20Rose%202/bottomnock.jpg)
Topnock:
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/Mary%20Rose%202/topnock.jpg)
Cloe up:
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/Mary%20Rose%202/closeup1.jpg)
Braced (new bow is on the left):
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/Mary%20Rose%202/Bracedstanding.jpg)
Almost full draw. I am going to have to grow into this one a bit. Here she is at around 30". (those arrows are 32" BOP). That last 2" will be hard gained but I will get there soon!
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/Mary%20Rose%202/fulldraw.jpg)
I like showing this pic as well. It really show cases the English War Bow when next to standard bows...scary arnt they >:D
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/Mary%20Rose%202/unbraced1.jpg)
For scale refrence from the left: 90#@32", 125@32", 60#@30, 60#@30"
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/Mary%20Rose%202/Unbraced2.jpg)
Thanks for looking!
SJM
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Those are all some sweet looking bows. Thanks for sharing. Justin
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Nice stuff. I don't know if you have made a war bow of 150# or more but they are something else. A 120# bow is almost manageable to me but when they get real heavy, like 150# or more then it's like trying to lift the front end of my truck. The wheels will never get off the ground :)
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I here ya Mark, This is the heaviset bow that I have made so far. I think this may be the max that I can make comfortably.......maybe. I was shooting for 140#@32 and ended up with 125#. It seems like when you start pushing up to those limits the wood starts to really break down quick. Better way t say it is it seems like the wood is real real stiff and then by the time you get it flexing you are ending at 125-130........I think the wood has allot to say about it when you are pusing to these levels. maybe thats where Steve Strattons Italinan Yew really starts to shine.
SJM
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That's a lot of bows, cool - enjoyed looking :).
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yeah! lots of cool bows!
frank
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i like it
these war bows are something in the realm of extreme :o
i couldnever pull one back,bad shoulders ya know.
curious though, were these made to shoot for distance and penetration or were they made for distance,penetration and accuracy?
or were they made this heavy just because of the stature of the men shooting them?
im ignorant on this subject
peace,
tim
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i like it
curious though, were these made to shoot for distance and penetration or were they made for distance,penetration and accuracy?
or were they made this heavy just because of the stature of the men shooting them?
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The laws and descriptions of shooting or training in the mediaeval and Tudor times place more emphasis on accuracy than on distance. Other cultures in which military archery was important {Chinese, Arab etc] trained like the English archers, starting young and taking up a stronger bow as soon as they could master the one they had. The result is the use of bows of over 100 pounds draw weight that can throw arrows long distances, and accurate shooting with long, necessarily heavy arrows that automatically have high penetration. These are the reasons that Edward III chose longbows as the main infantry weapons.
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thank you,once again i have been enlightened. ;D
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i like it
curious though, were these made to shoot for distance and penetration or were they made for distance,penetration and accuracy?
or were they made this heavy just because of the stature of the men shooting them?
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The laws and descriptions of shooting or training in the mediaeval and Tudor times place more emphasis on accuracy than on distance. Other cultures in which military archery was important {Chinese, Arab etc] trained like the English archers, starting young and taking up a stronger bow as soon as they could master the one they had. The result is the use of bows of over 100 pounds draw weight that can throw arrows long distances, and accurate shooting with long, necessarily heavy arrows that automatically have high penetration. These are the reasons that Edward III chose longbows as the main infantry weapons.
Absolutely. In a rove your expected to shoot over very long distances and accuratley, if you manage the distance but not the accuracy then it doesn't count for much. The two go hand in hand. To master and I mean realy master a heavy bow you have to be stable to reach the distances, if your not stable you won't get the distance. Stabilty breeds accuracy. If your stable and not straining you become accurate. I'm still working on it!
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Nick, what distances are you all shooting at over there while Roving?
SJM
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Wonderfull work and beauty of a collection there.
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thanks Thimo,
Lots of bow making been going on over here!
She is still holding the same amount of set and has lost now weight. Great shooting bow. I will try and get some shot distances soon.
SJM
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Question! Do you have the limbs start to taper straight out of the handle or do you keep them parallel to mid limb?
I have tried them both ways and seems like the one that tapers straight out of the handle are the ones I make with less hand shock. Still have not made one up to the weights you all are but I will one day!
David T
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Dave, My width is the same for 20". 10" to either side of the center line. I then start to taper to the tips. The depth is slightly differnt. I usually keep the first 5" from center the same depth and then start tapering. This usually give me a nice compass profile on a long draw.
SJM
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Very nice work you are doing, I imagine you are learning a lot as you go. Keep it up!! Steve
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Nick, what distances are you all shooting at over there while Roving?
SJM
Well it depends on who set it up. If it's a general rove with lots of light weight bows the average will be a about 170yds with most between 80 and 200 but sometimes some very short ones. If its a warbow rove the average will be about 210yds with most between 120 and upto about an eye popping 300yds. It's good fun and yes you loose a lot of arrows!
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:D Thats great!!
Most shoots here in the USA are geared more towards hunting distances. Folks complain at shots past 30 yards. I am gonna try and change that though by becoming more active with my war bows. Thanks for the info. I may need to pic your brain a bit more on some good shot ideas if I can get some guys together to start shooting with me.
SJM
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Pick away!
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YewArcher, Your bows look real good, and having youth on your side is a big help when pulling the heavier weights. I like that full draw shot!
Rich
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Thanks Rich, I am sort of an old-feller though. I wiill be 35 this year. I lift weights 5 days a week and run 18 miles a week and have been shootin very heavy bows since i was a kid.I have been hunting with 80# bows for as long as I can remeber. I was just a natural transition into the war bow world. Problem is as you can see I struggle "getting into the bow" because I dont really need to to get the bow back to 30"......I could probably pull 150# back to 30" but have a real hard time with that last 2" when I get anywehere over 110#. To get that last 2" I will need more of a war bow form and that is hard for somone who has been shooting another way for 22 years. I study Mark Stretton, Steve Stratton, Glennan and Nick Ashley but them dudes make it look easy! Its that last 2" that I get stuck at.
I will keep practicing and get it soon I am sure. When I do unlimited class at the salt flats here I come >:D
Steve
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Thanks Rich, I am sort of an old-feller though. I wiill be 35 this year. I lift weights 5 days a week and run 18 miles a week and have been shootin very heavy bows since i was a kid.I have been hunting with 80# bows for as long as I can remeber. I was just a natural transition into the war bow world. Problem is as you can see I struggle "getting into the bow" because I dont really need to to get the bow back to 30"......I could probably pull 150# back to 30" but have a real hard time with that last 2" when I get anywehere over 110#. To get that last 2" I will need more of a war bow form and that is hard for somone who has been shooting another way for 22 years. I study Mark Stretton, Steve Stratton, Glennan and Nick Ashley but them dudes make it look easy! Its that last 2" that I get stuck at.
I will keep practicing and get it soon I am sure. When I do unlimited class at the salt flats here I come >:D
Steve
Hi Steve
It's all about rolling your shoulder clockwise once you get the bow as far back as you can with your arms, then the draw length will come, Mark Stretton, Nick Ashley and me are in the middle of producing a DVD on how to draw these bows back using your shoulder and back (Shooting in the bow), keep an eye on my web site for a release date.
Cheers
Steve Stratton
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I study Mark Stretton, Steve Stratton, Glennan and Nick Ashley but them dudes make it look easy! Its that last 2" that I get stuck at.
I will keep practicing and get it soon I am sure. When I do unlimited class at the salt flats here I come >:D
Steve
Doh you've made me blush :D it's interesting because I study the other blokes there and every single last video I can find of anyone shooting a warbow. The film will be good though (I know cause I'm the bloke doing all the technical stuff like filming and editiing) and you can also check my webiste ;D (mods seek and destroy :D)
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:)
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Cool, I cant wait for the video to come out. Be sure to let us all know when its avalible.
I took my bows to the GLLI (Great Lakes Longbow Invitational) I shot my war bows so darn much. You would not believe how many people wanted to shoot them or were just interested. It was great!! Down side is they lost all my war arrows so I am now in a pinch to make some new one right quick before the next show. I found 2 guys who could get the big one back to 32", one guy (Steve from Northern Mist Longbow) pulled that bow like it was a rubberband back to 34". I betcha he could easily do 14-150 and 2 oter guys shooting 80-90 war bows made from sass-a-frass!!! All in all a very sucsefullfirst atempt to promotre this style of archery here in Michigan. I am meting up with a few of the guys to do some flight shooting next week.
here is a pic of my stand. I was promoting Native American Indian bows and shooting styles (bows on the right) and English Longbows and English Warbows (on the left). took allot of good stuff for people to see and look at, like my Oiled war arrow bags and stuff. People were facinated. It was great fun and many people have been added to the ranks.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/yewarcher/100_5843.jpg)
It was great! Now off to rip some shafts!
Steve