Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: bassman211 on June 21, 2024, 07:12:59 pm
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BowEd read your private messages. I have a question for you.
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I haven't seen Ed here in a long time.
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Ya I miss Ed’s knowledge.
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I haven't seen Ed here in a long time.
He may not be sharing, but he is checking in. He was logged in today (21 June) at some point.
Mark
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I reached out to a while ago and he told me he has other interests. Your right though he has a lot of great knowledge and makes awesome bows. Hope he can come back to us.
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Ya I miss Ed’s knowledge.
I don't miss his attitude
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Ok ... I shoot indoor target every Tuesday. I am 76 years old , and feel like I have total control over my wood bows at no more than 32lbs. for 60 shots in an evening. I can still pull, and shoot a 50 lb. bow for a few shots. I have been reducing my bows to 30 to 32lbs draw for me for target shooting. Today I chrony tested 6 of my bows from 30 to 32 lbs. Two sinew backed Osage bows, two hickory self bows, and two birch bows. I am shooting a 370 gr. arrow. At 30lb draw the 2 sinew Osage bows shot 137,138 fps. The two hickory self bows shot 145,148, and the two birch bows with B55 string shot 134,135 fps. The bows are designed the same basic way. Not true pyramid, but close. I am satisfied with the speeds I got, but puzzled by the hickory self bows shooting harder than the Osage bows. The one sinew backed Osage was the only bow that had reflex. The rest were even,or up to an inch string follow.The Hickory, and Osage bows had 10 strand D97 strings. I expected the reflexed sinew Osage bow to perform the best speed wise, but it didn't.??????????????????
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Interesting! I would have bet on the Osage. All the same length and width?
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Arvin... the 2 hickories are 63, and 64 inches nock to nock with slimmer design. The 2 Osage bows are 63, and 64 nock to nock with a 1/4 inch wider profile through the length of the bows. 18 ounces mass weight with the 2 sinew backed Osage, and the 2 hickory bows 16, and 17 ounces. Tomorrow I am going to test them again to see if I get the same readings. ??? Some thing seems off to me.
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I am with Marc on this topic.
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Arvin your in box is full for private messages. The bows all shot 140 fps today except for one skinny hickory bow. It shot 148 average. I made it from a 19 year old seasoned stave, and draw was 3lbs. heavier than the rest. The stave was narrow so I could only get one ,and an eighth wide at the fades. Hard shooter for what it is. I shot it with a 10 strand low stretch 652 string.
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Arvin... the 2 hickories are 63, and 64 inches nock to nock with slimmer design. The 2 Osage bows are 63, and 64 nock to nock with a 1/4 inch wider profile through the length of the bows. 18 ounces mass weight with the 2 sinew backed Osage, and the 2 hickory bows 16, and 17 ounces. Tomorrow I am going to test them again to see if I get the same readings. ??? Some thing seems off to me.
if your osage bows are slightly wider than the same in hickory, then its possible the osage ones are slightly overbuilt in the sense they coulld have theoretically been narrower and thicker (on account of the fact that osage is supposed to be able to bend further than hickory, all other things being equall, or said another way, slightly thicker and bend the same distance).
if taking early set while tillering out those bows told you to take more off the belly, then that piece of osage was not as good as hickory.
if you find your self retillering stronger bows to lesser poundages as you get older, do you reduce widths to reduce weight?
ed posts at paleoplanet often
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Willie....No. I remove wood from the belly. No limb has become so thin that I thought would be a problem so far. The hickory bow was from a split, and not much was left for width. I didn't heat treat the belly, or try to iron out the limbs. It looks like it is negative tiller, but at full draw the limbs are balanced. I just wanted to try to get a bow out of it. It turned out much better than I thought it would. I made a bow from the wider part of the stave, and sinew backed it. It ended up with an inch of reflex. I haven't chronied that one yet, but I will soon just to compare it to the split.
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I'm almost positive I will see ed in a few weeks at mojam. He is a good man all around. Jist different in the beautiful way that we are.
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I'm almost positive I will see ed in a few weeks at mojam. He is a good man all around. Jist different in the beautiful way that we are.
Cool. Say hi to him for me and wish him well. Thanks.
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I'm almost positive I will see ed in a few weeks at mojam. He is a good man all around. Jist different in the beautiful way that we are.
Thanks Dave. Ed will be there and he's bringing his latest crazy cool horn belly bow.
Bassman, could you post pictures of the bows please?
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Tell Mr attitude Arvin says hey. 🤠🤠
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I'm almost positive I will see ed in a few weeks at mojam. He is a good man all around. Jist different in the beautiful way that we are.
Thanks Dave. Ed will be there and he's bringing his latest crazy cool horn belly bow.
Bassman, could you post pictures of the bows please?
Looks like he has posted some pics of this bow on paleo planet.
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Bob I can't post pics. Computer illerate. Read your private messages.
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I will pass on the hello's for sure.
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I'm trying to post pictures of Tim's bows
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here's the last 2
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Arvin your in box is full for private messages. The bows all shot 140 fps today except for one skinny hickory bow. It shot 148 average. I made it from a 19 year old seasoned stave, and draw was 3lbs. heavier than the rest. The stave was narrow so I could only get one ,and an eighth wide at the fades. Hard shooter for what it is. I shot it with a 10 strand low stretch 652 string.
If you are so inclined, I'd be happy to design a fast self bow in your draw weight. I'm surprised by those low numbers. They can be much faster.
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Check you PMs Sleek, it's not what you think.
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The first bow is sinew backed Osage, and the second bow is sinew backed elm. Thanks to Bob Barnes for posting the pics. Both those bows shoot 140 to 145 average. Sleek I am shooting 12 GPP. 25 inch draw 30 lb bows. I shoot gap, and a 30 inch arrow. Those speeds work fine for me at 12 ,15, and 20 yds were accuracy is concerned. Sleek thanks for your kind offer. So now we have a challenge for all of those who may be curious, and experienced bowyers with making a 30 lb bow, shooting a 370 gr arrow at 25 inch draw, and posting the speeds, design , etc. I would love to see your results. The bows above are over built for durability, and longevity, and I know that. That would be another consideration.
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I would go 64” inches on a 30# draw at 25” with a 8 inch stiff handle. 1-1/4 inch wide at the fade . Parallel for 9” then taper to the tips . Flip the tips a bit . Shoot 9 grains per pound on target shooting . Should increase speed I would think.
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Thanks Arvin....I will keep that in mind on some of the other bows that I am going to reduce. One of the hickory bows I reduced is one and an eighth at the fades but with a 5 inch long handle, and straight taper, and no flipped tips 64 inches long.
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You might find out if you take the challenge that the numbers above are not as bad as sleek is making them out to be.