Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: razorbak on October 06, 2023, 08:35:01 am
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Morning everybody
Now I have never done a splice before but I got a set of Osage billets coming what is your go to glue for splicing. I know many use smooth on but for one set of billets I’m not sure if it’s worth it for me? I will get some if I do more bows with backing I have used titebond3 for several but I know I need more gap filling properties
Any one got examples of splicing and what type of glue do you perfer and any links to a how to splice as I seen some on you tube but it was confusing on some
Thanks in advance
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The good thing about Smooth On, or other quality epoxies is that they have a long shelf life. You will be using it in plenty of other bowmaking tasks, or other general woodworking projects, so you won't be wasting your money. I have had cheaper hardware store 24hr epoxy start to delaminate on splices.
TB3 will work, and work well, but the joinery needs to have much closer tolerances than what you can get away with epoxy.
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smooth on
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smooth on
Plus 1 more for smooth on. They sell it in the one pint size cans too.
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75 bucks on Ebay. ???
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I found this place online. Don’t know anything about site and I haven’t bought anything from them. Also I haven’t checked it out at all, just saw it and thought I’d share.
Terrible picture but it says 1 pint ea-40 kit for 39.99
The complete sculptor
https://shop.sculpt.com/ea-40-transparent-laminating-epoxy-adhesive.html
Here’s the link
Much better than $75.00
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Good heads up. Thanks. I will order a pint kit . I will pay 40 bucks for it, but not 75 just out of principle. Price gouging. A lot of that going on at present.
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I have some nice clean Osage billets, and the cost of the glue is what has been keeping me from using them up to build bows. I have used a simple 5 inch V splice with a nylon wrapped riser that has worked for me in the past with bamboo floor board bows.
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Thanks guys I think I’ll order some I have heard of others using different epoxy’s but I don’t know which ones was used
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https://shop.smooth-on.com/ea-40
factory webstore $34.76
fresh
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Even better Willie.
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I use Unibond for splices, it is Uracs replacement. You can buy a quart of the stuff for around $30; it is much more expensive by the pint from bow making places. What I like about it is it is water soluble; cleanup is easy. If you keep it in the frig it will keep for several years but doesn't have a shelf life like Smooth-on
When I used Smooth-on I got more on me than the bow, it takes heavy duty chemical solvents to get it off you.
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https://shop.smooth-on.com/ea-40
factory webstore $34.76
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Yeah, and almost another $30 for shipping and handling. Yikes.
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Has anyone ever tried the phenol-resorcinic glue for nautical use? It has a liquid part and a hardener powder.
It comes in a red color where I live, it's cheaper than epossidic resins and it's very strong, waterproof, insensitive to almost all solvents, resistent both to hot and cold temperatures.
Never tried on bows but I've used it to make kiteboard and they have to undergo heavy stress
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Has anyone ever tried the phenol-resorcinic glue for nautical use? It has a liquid part and a hardener powder.
It comes in a red color where I live, it's cheaper than epossidic resins and it's very strong, waterproof, insensitive to almost all solvents, resistent both to hot and cold temperatures.
Never tried on bows but I've used it to make kiteboard and they have to undergo heavy stress
Yes, I’ve used Humbrol Extraphen on BBI, BBO and hickory backed ERC bows. It is very good, but needs careful and thorough degreasing of the wood, and reasonably accurate mixing. On paler woods it can be difficult to get an invisible glue line, but nothing will ever separate it once set. Be careful of any squeeze out as it’s almost impossible to get off of a kitchen floor for example - DAMHIK!!
Cheers, Bob
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Interesting discussion on glue. I may have to try some. As for the DAMHIK, we should have an entire thread on this. Lol. For example DAMHIK… you should never overheat correct yew bow wood. Or DAMHIK… you should never use gorilla glue to stick your hairpiece on and stuff like that! Lol.
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I have used some Resorcinol resin with the white powder hardener with good success. In my opinion it is one of the best glues for wood to wood glueing (and also wood to bamboo).
The glue I have used is from Bidan, Germany named 'Bindan Cin'.
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Resorcinol is the best glue for bowmaking, from a bowyers perspective. Waterproof, rigid glue lines, that can withstand steam bending, boiling and dry heat corrections. Other glues come close, but none are as good.
The only downsides are the dark glue lines when used with light coloured timbers, and a relatively short shelf life, and less availability.