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Title: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 10, 2008, 10:26:14 pm
Just made this, came out heavier than I planned on at 315 grains but should penetrate at close range. 7/8" wide, three inch long cutting edge, tanto tip, single edge bevel. Just experimenting, guess I need to find a thinner saw blade, but this is hard stuff, I wont worry about it bending on bone. Oh it is beside a 190 grain grizzly for comparison. Maybe it can tame one of my over spined shafts.    Kenneth

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Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: david w. on May 10, 2008, 10:29:43 pm
thats nice it should do the job
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Hillbilly on May 10, 2008, 11:12:49 pm
That sucker ought to put a big hole in just about anything you're likely to run into out there.
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 11, 2008, 12:21:10 am
I did a bit more grinding and it now weighs 275 gr. maybe when I get a scary sharp hollow ground bevelit will be about 250. looks like it has bison written all over it. Well we will see how it shoots tomorrow.   Kenneth
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Pat B on May 11, 2008, 12:40:14 am
That ought to punch a hole is a bison for sure. Your arrows fly so well, I'm curious to see how well they fly with the extreme weight forward.    Pat
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 11, 2008, 12:28:57 pm
Got her mounted up last night and test drove her this morning, best shooting arrow in my quiver. It does not dive at the ground like I thought it would with that heavy of point, shoots flat to 25 yards.That cane is amasing stuff, it is rare to have one not fly good, and most of the time very good. Total arrow weight 750 grains at 18.25% foc  balance. I made it 7/8" wide as that is the Colorado minimum.

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Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Pat B on May 11, 2008, 12:30:51 pm
Looks like chicken fried backstrap to me!!! ;D 8)       Pat
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 11, 2008, 01:05:26 pm
Pat I will try to get some made and send some your way. Man you made me hungry with that remark about the Chicken Fried Backstrap. You got some of that coming also as soon as I get lucky.    Kenneth
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: El Destructo on May 11, 2008, 01:16:28 pm
             I dont have any of them Cane Arrow....or Trade Points....but I have plenty of Back Strap and Steaks left!!!!

                                        Don't be offended by the packs of Rib Eyes and the dead Buzzard!!!

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Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 11, 2008, 04:17:34 pm
Good looking stash, you are a rich man indeed. If you had some of these cane arrows you could be filthy obscenly rich. My freezer quit qnd ruined my last wild game stash, still crying.  Maybe this year.   Kenneth
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: DBernier on May 11, 2008, 05:22:09 pm
Jezzzzzzzzzzzz L.J.!!!!!!!!!!! I did not know those Elk needed armor piercing ammo. Good lord and good luck. I will try and horn in on Pat's "gift".

Dick
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 11, 2008, 05:35:20 pm
Dick, long time no see, missed ya at the classic, maybe next year.   Hey I have got you some cut out and am headed up now to grind edges on them. No doubt armor piercers.   Your friend Kenneth
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Post by: DBernier on May 11, 2008, 06:24:16 pm
Thanks LJ.  Pat was just wiping the sweat off his brow.   ;D

Dick
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: scattershot on May 11, 2008, 09:10:24 pm
Still got dinosaurs down your way, LJ? Nice lookin' head!
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: recurve shooter on May 11, 2008, 10:20:22 pm
yup. could stop a tank those. have fun.
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 12, 2008, 01:58:05 am
Looks good Kenneth.  When you get a shot you want to know for sure the equipment is up to it and that one leaves no doubt.  I saw an elk yesterday that already has a pretty good set of horns started.  He is going to be a monster. To bad he is in a closed area.  You getting those horses in shape for fall?  Justin
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 12, 2008, 08:07:13 am
Justin, we have been riding our show horses, the others we are just feeding . I have been seeing a few elk in the canyon country which is good for after work hunts. anxious to get to the high country. Are you going to have an elk area to hunt in Utah?  Kenneth
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 12, 2008, 02:43:21 pm
I didn't get a limited entry tag this year so I'm trying to make it over to hunt with you. I can get an archery tag over the counter every year, but the odds are not real good in those areas.  If I cant get over there I will probably go open area. I can shoot a bull or cow in those areas. Justin
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: recurve shooter on May 13, 2008, 10:42:42 pm
all i have ever killed is deer. :'( i want to kill a moose. from the way they make it look on tv, ya can walk up to it, have a conversation about it, pet it, measure its horns, tie a rope around it, lead it back to camp, then shoot it.

im goofing around of cource, but the guys on the sportsman channle get pretty darn close to em before sticking them.
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: El Destructo on May 13, 2008, 10:46:48 pm
Have you ever been near a pissed off Moose in Rut???? Aint too Purty.....they are an obnoxious Animal..... and charge like a Rhino..

                         I would hate to wound one and have it charge..... Aint nothing Like a Elk or Whitetail ....nuthin!!!

Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: recurve shooter on May 13, 2008, 11:11:55 pm
....carry the ole trusty ruger .44 superblackhawk just incase ya caint reach a tree. :P

lol, no. now that i think about it i really dont want to pick on a moose.
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 13, 2008, 11:15:52 pm
I have heard they can get mad even when unprovoked, If I shoot one I hope ne never knows that I am in the area and doesn't know where the sting came from.   Not too likely I will ever get the chance.   Kenneth
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: cowboy on May 13, 2008, 11:38:59 pm
Nice lookin arrow Kenneth, sure it'll do the job if it connects - the way you were shooting them targets, i'd say if a shot presents itself - you'll connect ;). Man, wish i could get up there elk huntin again. Only been once with a rifle - never fired a shot for the thousand the trip cost me, but the experience was worth it :).
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 14, 2008, 01:09:48 am
Thanks Cowboy, actually I think I was just having a lucky day that time at Pappys, but have been really trying to work on the nuts and bolts of good shooting, perfect draw, perfect visuilization, perfect anchor, perfect release, perfect follow thru, sometimes it works. Where and when did you hunt elk? Maybe you should try to make it out some time.     Kenneth
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Pat B on May 14, 2008, 02:06:30 am
I've seen Kenneth shoot in elk camp and except for a grouse or 2, he couldn't miss! ;)  Unfortunately, the elk had other plans that week.  It might be good that there were no elk around. Kenneth had to hike out to get horses to pack my crippled ass out. ;D    Pat
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: El Destructo on May 14, 2008, 03:25:53 am
Where do you live Kenneth??? I am 200 miles from Raton New Mexico....and 425 miles to Gunnison Colorado...I have been to Rifle Colorado and Glendale Springs on Hunts with my Father and Brothers before....but thats it....love the Mountains
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 14, 2008, 09:49:46 am
Pat, I still remember all those arrows I have sticking in the tops of those trees. I have a thing about grouse, even the ones I have killed before were stupid enough to give me multiple shots. And I know how it is to be crippled, was welding in the mud, snow and frozen rough terain last winter from crutches with a broken and sprained ankle. Any way it was nothing to go get the horses for a friend and partner and much easier than carrying you out on my own back. What a good time that was.

Destructo, I live in the four corners part of Colo. near Cortez. I was raised in Plainview Texas south of where you live.  What do you do there in the panhandle?   Kenneth
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: cowboy on May 14, 2008, 10:25:42 am
Kenneth,, we hunted overlooking Montrose first (can't remember the name of forest) then move to Dolores valley - saw lots of elk and lots of orange humans, never got a shot :(.
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: El Destructo on May 14, 2008, 08:28:01 pm
Destructo, I live in the four corners part of Colo. near Cortez. I was raised in Plainview Texas south of where you live.  What do you do there in the panhandle?   Kenneth

I work at the ConocoPhillips Refinery in Borger....I am a Heavy Crane Operator for Zachry Construction Corporation.... I run a 888 Manitowoc Crawler Crane....We have the Maintenance Contract there.

I see where you are....all kinds of Federal Land over there too....I bet thats some nice Country....never seen it....been to Gunnison....but thats the closest to the 4 Corners I have been in Colorado...been to Farmington Shiprock....Tuba City....but never Cortez....might just have to make a point of going that way one day!!!
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Dustybaer on May 17, 2008, 03:59:34 pm
not to hijack your thread, little john, but similar thoughts (and the Ashby reports) yielded these tradepoints that a friend is making for me.  they are 2" by 1" and weigh in at 211gr.  i'll get a dozen of them for my two-fletch set.  and yes, i'll let y'all know how they fly, once i get them.  ;D

by the way, would these points be legal in the US?

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Post by: Pat B on May 17, 2008, 04:24:16 pm
Marius, Those are nice looking points and yes, they would be legal in most of the US. In most places you need a width of at least 7/8" and no barb, ie the back of the blabe has to be 90deg or perpendicular to the shaft or slightly tapering to the front like yours are.  Are you making plans of some sort? ;) 8)  Pat
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Dustybaer on May 17, 2008, 04:53:02 pm
pat, my friend, you might be the one who put a bug in my ear, back in tennessee.  or maybe it was pappy, or greg, or colene  ;D

but to answer your question, yes, i would like to bloody the signature bow and maybe rename two-deer.  ;D  and all my gear will have the medicine of my friends.  all i need to do now, is learn to shoot.   ;D
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Little John on May 17, 2008, 07:11:02 pm
Nice points Marius, Yep legal any where I know of in the U.S.  Should do your two fletches proud.  Kenneth
Title: Re: Extreme weight forward - Asby style trade point
Post by: Dustybaer on May 17, 2008, 07:26:09 pm
thanks kenneth.  it was your thread that encouraged me to go heavy  ;D