Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: BowEd on July 08, 2021, 02:32:48 pm
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Finished up on this shirt applying the beadwork.No.8 pony beads used.Leather is white tailed deer.
Front
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Back
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My beadwork represents the 4 winds in colors and design.Colors are pony trader blues,greasy yellows,cranberrys,and whites.
Type stitching used is the siouw lazy stitch.Not totally stellar work here but enough to satisfy myself.
Doing this with size 11 to 13 seed beads can give a much better overall look to it.
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Nice work, Ed. How many hides did you use? What do you use for a pattern? I have a couple of hides I'd like to do the same with.
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Normally a shirt like that can be made out of 2 large white tailed deer.They would have to be age wise in the range of at least 4 year old deer to do it with 2 hides.Top third of hide are the sleeves utilizing the neck and front legs.The bottom 2/3rds of the hides are the front and back of shirt.
I used 4 hides on this one using the very best parts of each hide.Simulating the front legs under the arm and back legs along the bottom of the shirt.Spare peices I use for possible bags,quivers,and the like.
Patterns for these are not difficult.In short take a large plastic trash bag.Cut a hole in the center for your head and cut a hole each for each arm.Slip it on and see how it fits.You can modify how large your head hole can be and where your seam will run for your arm holes.
I transform the shape of body and sleeves onto large pieces of card board and trace the shape onto the leather.
Save all parts for fringe etc.
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badass Ed..looks incredible...gut
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That turned out great.
Thanks Leroy
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Do those flaps under the arms get in the way at all? I have never seen anything like that.
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Your a true craftsman! Beautiful!
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Thanks, Ed. :OK
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Pat...I should mention what I said earlier what you'll need for a 2 hide shirt is that each hide should be around 12 sq. feet per hide to pull that off.
I'll get Robin to take a picture of the shirt on myself for ya.
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Thanks, Ed. The hides I have seem pretty big to me. I'll measure them and see.
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OK Robin obliged for me.She's such a great person.....ha ha.
Pat.... make your pattern and lay it out on your hides.You'll see if you've got enough leather.
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Unlike us persnickity modern folk designers the indian used all parts of a deer hide in their atire.They even brain tanned the face of deer.They were not hampered with what was fashionable,and no the front legs hanging from the arms are'nt ever a problem of any kind.I've worn them to many a buckskinners camp.Hunted with them on multiple occasions.
The plains indian tribes' clothing have been presented in multiple publications for decades upon decades.Ever since I was a kid.Their clothing showed a natural free flow to the motion of movement of a body.Exquisite displays are preserved in many museums.
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Easiest way to measure sq. footage is to lay the hides on 1 foot square tiles.
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That looks great, Ed and thanks for the info. :OK
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I'm 6'3" tall.Pat you should have for yourself for your size to have at least 22" long sleeves and 8 to 9 inch wide at big end and at least 24" long main body parts.Main body parts should be around 22" wide for a slip on comfortable fit with appropriate width holes to accomodate the sleeves for attatchment.
Head hole can 10 to 11 inches wide.Crescented out a bit on the front body part and slightly on the back part.
PS.....You might just make a good buckskinner yet.....ha ha.
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Excellent work Ed! That is awesome buddy and I know a lot of thought went into that "piece of functional art"
Don
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Thanks fellas....I just wish more people on the PA were more into these kind of things.It's good to compare and display each others work.
Peatreg and Spotted dog used to show some of their work in the past.They took it to a higher level yet than any of my work.
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Well Robin is a pest [she admits it] and I told her so too....ha ha.She insisted I put on the pants and mocs for pictures too.
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Very nice. Right out of the 1800s. )P(
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VERY Nice (A) ! Bob
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Great work
I especially like the bead work design on the back :OK
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Excellent!
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you're going to have to lay beadwork in belly if that beard gets much longer... :BB.. gut
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I guess gut,but that's my goal to have a beard clear down to my belly button.....ha ha.I want to mention I really like the work you've shown on here too.How's them scrapers doing?
For those speculating with no valid insight given as to whether my references are correct here's my reference for a shirt such as this.It can be as elaborate as anyone wants to make.Sky is the limit.I have plenty of horse hair locks I could of put on this one but chose not to at the moment.Shirts like these can be further decorated as time goes on too.
There are patterns I'll show from my reference on womens dresses also.I made Robin a dress some time ago.Hers' was made like pattern d.
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Its a publication called The Mystic Warriors of the Plains by Thomas E Mails.A well known investigtor of the northern plains indian life style.His artistry and authenticty can be seen in gallerys around the world.
It is a well known publication of the northern plains indian's life style,culture,religion,clothing,and weapons.
I've had this book for 40 years.It might not even be in publication any more.
I do know the book was'nt cheap.Around $70.00 if I remember correctly.
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Here's the simple patterrn.This one is blackfoot,but many northern tribes utilized the hide approximately in the same way for clothing depending on what their enviornment was like and type of game available to them.The difference between them was mostly the type of quill/beadwork or dyed & appendages attatched they were adorned with for personal reasons.I feel these type shirts were not their usual utilitarion type clothing used for every day use.Although the decorations on them were statements of status,belief, and accomplishments.
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A little about Thomas E. Mails.The copyright on this book is 1972.
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Thats just beautiful, the whole outfit. I started a pair of pants over the winter. Found i have to resize the waist abit, not gonna be all fancy but some fringe. I plan on wearing them for hunting season this year. I did some drywall work for a guy afew years ago and traded the work for a nice buckskin shirt he had.I just feel it would round out the whole "primitive" aspect... again amazing work
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Real nice work, Ed! hope to get my hides tanned this winter, and have enough leather to make a shirt for me and a dress for Jacie. We aren't doing much primitive camping, etc, but I hope to get in a hunt or 2 this fall!
Hawkdancer
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There's an updated version of that book. A paperback version is reasonable. I just ordered one.
Excellent work for sure. I'll probably stick with quivers and sheathes for a while, but it's nice to dream! )P(
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Thanks fellas.They do take a bit of time and thought to make.Your only limited by your own imagination I like to say.In the past going to many buckskin rendezvous's [some as large as 700 camps] we are all dressed up in skins and many ideas can come to mind for your own outfit.I've seen some astounding work done by fellow buckskinners.Quivers,gun cases,bags,shields and more are all at rendezvous.A large diversity of crafts.
To start a craft yourself for your own articles books are a good way to learn.That's what I did.
Bucskin rendezvous are a blast.Weapons everywhere.Smoke from camp fires.Traders making deals and meeting interesting people.Contests of shooting and hawk and knife throwing.Craftsmen doing their thing.A little like bow making gatherings but on steriods.
To me making articles from the animals you harvested is a gratifying closure to the hunt.
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I got a pair of large hides I'll make another pair of pants from later this year.34" inseam on those pants.
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I'll use the neck portions on these hides to make 4 way braided lace carrying straps for the possible bags I'll make later.
Future prospect for more items.
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There's an updated version of that book. A paperback version is reasonable. I just ordered one.
Excellent work for sure. I'll probably stick with quivers and sheathes for a while, but it's nice to dream! )P(
Yes I've just looked on the internet and there is a series of updated books out there from him even though he has deceased back in 2001.
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There's an updated version of that book. A paperback version is reasonable. I just ordered one.
Excellent work for sure. I'll probably stick with quivers and sheathes for a while, but it's nice to dream! )P(
Yes I've just looked on the internet and there is a series of updated books out there from him even though he has deceased back in 2001.
The new version was published in 1995
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WOW! Great work!
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Don W......I was into buckskinning and belonged to a club for quite a few years quite a while before starting to make bows.I've got friends that went on a floating trip from the head waters of the big Mo in their own log dug out canoes they made.Experiencing the same route Lewis and Clark went on.I'm sure it was a blast.
I keep quite a few books in my personal library on different skills.Something anyone can still do themselves.Back then there was no internet so you were on your own learning.It sure helped going to rendezvous to see the work of others and talking to them too.
I met the "Praire Wolf" John Mcphearson at a rendezvous in New Ulm,Minnesota.Very interesting knowledgeable fella.
Sort of the same thing now as to going to bow making gatherings.I encourage any new bow makers to make a few of these events if they can find the time.Your learning curve will shorten some.There's nothing like pulling your own shavings to learn when you get home though.
Peace. :OK
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Don W......I was into buckskinning and belonged to a club for quite a few years quite a while before starting to make bows.I've got friends that went on a floating trip from the head waters of the big Mo in their own log dug out canoes they made.Experiencing the same route Lewis and Clark went on.I'm sure it was a blast.
I keep quite a few books in my personal library on different skills.Something anyone can still do themselves.Back then there was no internet so you were on your own learning.It sure helped going to rendezvous to see the work of others and talking to them too.
I met the "Praire Wolf" John Mcphearson at a rendezvous in New Ulm,Minnesota.Very interesting knowledgeable fella.
Sort of the same thing now as to going to bow making gatherings.I encourage any new bow makers to make a few of these events if they can find the time.Your learning curve will shorten some.There's nothing like pulling your own shavings to learn when you get home though.
Peace. :OK
I have enough books and magazines to fill a closet myself. In the 90's i went through a gunsmithing phase. My favorite deer rifle is a custom '06 i built off a mauser action. I like to write, which is why i maintain a couple web sites. I've written a couple books which got me into publishing. https://www.amazon.com/~/e/B07NCNJYY2 (https://www.amazon.com/~/e/B07NCNJYY2) If there is something new to build, I'll probably try it.
Probably my first leather project was this holster I made for my pellet pistol. I was probably 14 or 15. I hope to retire soon, so I'll have more time to head out to more of the gatherings.
(https://www.diy.timetestedtools.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/pellet-pistal-holster.jpg)
A resent quiver. Had I known a bit more, I may have reversed it so the hair was inside. I just keep trying stuff to see what sticks.
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This was from the good side of a pair of pants cut off for shorts (the other side had a mishap with a chainsaw)
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Cool....Whatever works to your liking.Nice pistol holder.Good use of material for your quiver too.I've never gotten into blacksmithing and forging though,but do have and appreciate my buckskinning friends that are artists of their craft.There is a thread on the PA for forging too.
I guess my book is in my head Don.I let my reputation speak for itself.I please myself for my buckskinning/coon hunting/and now bow making carrers.I do give things that I make a thorough testing for handiness and duability.All I need is an idea or inspiration and most times I can get it to work.
I feel anyone can pursue these things for themslves too.It just takes a desire to do so.
I've made long gun cases and pistol holders out of leather long ago too and now many quivers and other archery related items.Others on here Like Pat has shown some terrific pistol holders he's made.
Many other things out of leather I've not shown for my coon hunting.No sense in paying a high price for stuff you can make yourself very cheaply and most times more durable.Multiple things out of rawhide and tanning and making things out of fur too.
Garment leather out of brain tan and making it which is what this thread is about makes a person appreciate the fine art of what seamstress's know for sewing their seams correctly.I keep many different type needles thread and even a heavy duty singer sewing machine to serve my purpose.Beading needles of different sizes/beads of all sizes for special beadworking projects too.
It's good to get to know like minded people on the same path that are do it your selfers.
Peace :-D
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Ed, I Googled that book. They had one copy for $9.95 but another for $1500. Must be first edition. (A)
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Well it sounds like I maybe should of waited.....ha ha.I probably would'nt have made all the previous stuff then though.I guess if they can find a :G to pay $1500.00 they'll take it......ha ha.
My hard covers' paper covering is a bit worn and frayed but the hard cover itself is in super shape yet.
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Ed, I Googled that book. They had one copy for $9.95 but another for $1500. Must be first edition. (A)
:o Perhaps someone forgot a decimal point?
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I just ordered a hardback copy in good condition from Thriftbooks for $7.89. Should be here in 7 to 8 days.
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Don W......I was into buckskinning and belonged to a club for quite a few years quite a while before starting to make bows.I've got friends that went on a floating trip from the head waters of the big Mo in their own log dug out canoes they made.Experiencing the same route Lewis and Clark went on.I'm sure it was a blast.
I keep quite a few books in my personal library on different skills.Something anyone can still do themselves.Back then there was no internet so you were on your own learning.It sure helped going to rendezvous to see the work of others and talking to them too.
I met the "Praire Wolf" John Mcphearson at a rendezvous in New Ulm,Minnesota.Very interesting knowledgeable fella.
Sort of the same thing now as to going to bow making gatherings.I encourage any new bow makers to make a few of these events if they can find the time.Your learning curve will shorten some.There's nothing like pulling your own shavings to learn when you get home though.
Peace. :OK
I have enough books and magazines to fill a closet myself. In the 90's i went through a gunsmithing phase. My favorite deer rifle is a custom '06 i built off a mauser action. I like to write, which is why i maintain a couple web sites. I've written a couple books which got me into publishing. https://www.amazon.com/~/e/B07NCNJYY2 (https://www.amazon.com/~/e/B07NCNJYY2) If there is something new to build, I'll probably try it.
Probably my first leather project was this holster I made for my pellet pistol. I was probably 14 or 15. I hope to retire soon, so I'll have more time to head out to more of the gatherings.
(https://www.diy.timetestedtools.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/pellet-pistal-holster.jpg)
A resent quiver. Had I known a bit more, I may have reversed it so the hair was inside. I just keep trying stuff to see what sticks.
(https://www.diy.timetestedtools.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/bow-Quiver-Full-gear.jpg)
This was from the good side of a pair of pants cut off for shorts (the other side had a mishap with a chainsaw)
(https://www.diy.timetestedtools.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/canvas-quiver-1.jpg)
I make fur quivers with the hair out most times out of coon,bobcat,fox.otter or coyote.
I just ordered a hardback copy in good condition from Thriftbooks for $7.89. Should be here in 7 to 8 days.
Good deal....You won't regret it.
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Very impressive and extremely dedicated work Ed...I have made a few leather and hide pieces, nothing of this magnitude but enough to be able to appreciate your work and dedication...Always enjoy your posts
Don
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Thanks Don.....The idea I think is to satisfy yourself with these things.I've seen some work at rendezvous's that make my work look mediocre.I can only appreciate like you said what they did too.Even more so the effort it took to make articles like these without the modern needles and thread we have nowadays.The mentoring by the old ones to children I'm sure helped immensely.
I've always been a fur and leather guy for some reason ever since I was a kid.
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Probably my first leather project was this holster I made for my pellet pistol.
Same here , made a holster for my Crosman 38C when I was in junior high. Still have it over half a century later in fact , though now modified for a .22 RF revolver.
Nice to meet another air gunner. I'm sure there are more air gunners here, bows and air guns seem to complement each other. Spring piston and pump up guns store and release the energy you put into them by your own muscle power much as bows do.
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Probably my first leather project was this holster I made for my pellet pistol.
Same here , made a holster for my Crosman 38C when I was in junior high. Still have it over half a century later in fact , though now modified for a .22 RF revolver.
Nice to meet another air gunner. I'm sure there are more air gunners here, bows and air guns seem to complement each other. Spring piston and pump up guns store and release the energy you put into them by your own muscle power much as bows do.
Agreed. I have a remington summit as well. Helps keep the chipmunks out of the house.
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My brother and I take turns with our dad's old pellet gun. It is deadly accurate within 15-20 yards.
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What a side track conversation.Completely 180 degrees from what this thread I started was supposed to be.
If you want to discuss modern pellet guns on small game do it on another forum.
Hijacking threads in this fashion is 1 reason why people leave these forums.They are serious about what they post and should be respected for that.A refreshing of the rules content information to participate on this forum should be done here.
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Opps, sorry :D
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Ed, I got the Thomas E Mails book in the mail yesterday. Boy, this thing is a beast. It had to cost more than the $7.95 I paid for it just to ship it here.
Great book with lots of very good info. I'm sure I'll enjoy this over the years.
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Excellent.....Good score!!!!!