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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: WhistlingBadger on February 07, 2021, 11:30:42 am

Title: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on February 07, 2021, 11:30:42 am
I was out in the garage putting a few arrows through Jubal, my black locust flatbow, when it made a loud click and lifted a big splinter on the back, about 5" below the handle.

Dang, I had a lot of good times with that bow.  Feels like losing a friend.  All good things, I guess...

Thomas
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: sleek on February 07, 2021, 11:37:43 am
I've been there. I heard the tick and my heart fell to my stomach. A bow I had shot for 5 years and really loved it. I may find a way to save it with sinew, but for now its in the corner. Maybe you can save yours too.
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: HH~ on February 07, 2021, 12:02:41 pm
I hear ya. Lost a true winner at Howard Hill last year. Cut in half just last week and added a new limb. Half a Holler is back up and running like the champ she was. Be my Arvin Shootdown bow when the $ is on the barrel head.

HH~
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Pat B on February 07, 2021, 12:49:32 pm
Will you post pics. Black locust is pretty strong in tension so lifting a splinter on the back must have a good reason for doing so.
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: eastcreekarchery on February 07, 2021, 05:21:41 pm
Yes can we see the break!
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Will B on February 07, 2021, 05:47:33 pm
Sorry to hear that. Frustrating when that happens
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: bjrogg on February 07, 2021, 05:47:43 pm
I broke my first one in front of a bunch of old timers who already thought I had a screw loose.lol

Looking back it was one of the best things that happened to me. It made me realize how much I missed my bow and that I never wanted to be without one again. I got serious and learned how to make better bows.

Glad you got to shoot yours awhile WB. Sure is a awesome feeling

Bjrogg

PS those old timers are some of my biggest “fans” now
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Hawkdancer on February 08, 2021, 02:05:26 am
Bummer!  Maybe you can do a sinew or rawhide and superglue fix?  Got to get out to the shop and decide what stave to work on next,  BL, shagbark, crabapple, got an Osage that is really rough, might be a smooth bark hickory.  Got primo yew and Osage that are waiting on me improving my skills and getting a few more bows done.  Got to send some arrows down range, too!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on February 08, 2021, 11:07:56 am
Sounds like fun, Hawk.  I contacted the maker, and he suggested I could glue it down and rawhide-back it.  I just don't know if I'd trust it again...I guess maybe it's time to get motivated and learn to build these things for myself.  Need to find a few more good hickory staves to work on.

Speaking of which, I finished one over the weekend.  It's not what I wanted, but it shoots!  Need to get some pics up.
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Tom Dulaney on February 08, 2021, 01:46:09 pm
Was this bow deep fried or skillet roasted?
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Pat B on February 08, 2021, 02:26:00 pm
Tom, do you have to keep stirring the pot. Don't you have anything better, more productive to do besides being so annoying? 
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on February 08, 2021, 06:32:34 pm
Was this bow deep fried or skillet roasted?
Hm, not following you...Might end up making good firewood, though.
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: bradsmith2010 on February 08, 2021, 06:39:49 pm
if the bow did not blow up,, it will probably fix,, the bowyer should do that for you,,
I think its worth a try,, if you not up for it,, you can send it to me, I will put a sinew wrap on it and test it out,, if I think it needs to be rawhide backed we can talk about that,,when I see it,,
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Digital Caveman on February 08, 2021, 09:41:47 pm
Was this bow deep fried or skillet roasted?
Hm, not following you...Might end up making good firewood, though.

Tom has been arguing on another thread that a bow will very likely break if it is exposed to any heat greater than high room temperature.  To say the least he has been very antagonizing in the prosses.
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Hawkdancer on February 09, 2021, 02:17:03 am
WHAT, there are other threads and sites out here??!!  Being the devil's advocate comes naturally to a lot of people who have to put up with a lot of young know-it-alls in their profession, like teachers and trainers, etc.!  On the other hand, some folks are dumb enough to try to pi$$ off the Sergeant Major!

WB, Brad has a good offer.  How big a splinter is it?  My question would be - fill the gap with superglue, then wrap it with sinew and back it with rawhide, or just back it?  But, I am a novice at this bow making stuff!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on February 09, 2021, 11:24:39 am
if the bow did not blow up,, it will probably fix,, the bowyer should do that for you,,
I think its worth a try,, if you not up for it,, you can send it to me, I will put a sinew wrap on it and test it out,, if I think it needs to be rawhide backed we can talk about that,,when I see it,,

That's really, really kind of you, Brad, and I might take you up on that.   Maybe find some rawhide and do it myself.  I am currently trying to decide whether to try to save the bow, or whether to retire it and put my time and energy into making one that I will like even better.  This particular bowyer is a really nice guy and makes pretty good stuff, but I'm not extremely impressed with his service.  He has not offered to fix the bow for me, but did offer to send me some wood, so maybe we'll call that good.  :)

This bow has never been exposed to anything other than normal outdoor heat as far as I know, but I did put a few scratches and dings in the back, which I covered with superglue, at the advice of the bowyer.  It's possible the splinter started from one of those, but I don't think so.

Hawk, the splinter is about 3" long and around 1/2" wide.
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: gutpile on February 09, 2021, 01:58:43 pm
you can run a cotton ball down limbs to identify where splinter might be if not visible.. when found super glue it down.. a good rawhide backing is what I would consider not seeing the actual problem.. sounds like sound advise and a simple procedure you could do yourself.. JMO.. good luck.. gut
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: bradsmith2010 on February 09, 2021, 04:04:50 pm
well fix that one for back up,, and make one too,, :)
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on February 09, 2021, 06:21:36 pm
well fix that one for back up,, and make one too,, :)

Or maybe make several!  ha ha  My daughter already makes fun of me for owning so many bows.  Compared to some of you guys, I'm a pauper!

So, where does one get a good strip of thin rawhide?  I didn't get to hunt this year so nothing awaiting me in the freezer.

Sinew:  Same question, same reason.  I've been really wanting to learn sinew, since my ultimate bow-making goal is a sinew-backed flatbow of juniper wood.  So, maybe doing a bit of sinew repair work would be a good way to start getting familiar with the material.
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: bradsmith2010 on February 09, 2021, 06:41:13 pm
i get my sinew at Moscow hide and fur, they might have rawhide I have not checked,,
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Post by: Tradslinger on February 09, 2021, 08:18:45 pm
where I live, picking up roadkill is pretty easy to do. I have skinned out a few for their hides. once you stretch it and dry it etc, you can make rawhide from there.
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Digital Caveman on February 09, 2021, 09:31:54 pm
Hide and fur has whole goat hides for about $70.  Pine hollow Longbows has whole hides for around $90.  I have a few older strips of fur on deer hide I have been saving. Make me an offer if your interested :)
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Post by: bradsmith2010 on February 09, 2021, 11:43:26 pm
shorty palmer has hair off goat for about 40 for whole hide,,I think,,djembe drums and skins,,
Title: Re: Well, this is a bummer.
Post by: Hawkdancer on February 10, 2021, 01:09:35 am
Sweet talk the county road crews and/or the Game warden(?)for a chance to skin out road kill.  Likely be a year round supply!  Might be a local game processor as well.  Rawhide is easy - get the hair off and stretch on a frame, and let it cure, then cut to suit your needs.  It helps to keep the dogs and mice away, though (lol)!
Hawkdancer