Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: eastcreekarchery on January 24, 2021, 08:59:12 am
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Im asking about selfbows in particular
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A few fps more.
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matius reported a difference of 9 FPS, but his B5o string wasn't all that great.
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Not all speed but if you go D97 you won’t go back!
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"Not all speed but if you go D97 you won’t go back!"
I have a few bows that others gave me with FF type strings but I still prefer B-50, B-55 for my bows. It has always worked well for me so I'll stick with it until they quit making it. I don't care about speed. As long as my bows are accurate that's all that matters.
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I think it depends on bow, and your release,, but sometimes around 5 fps,, seems realistic,,
I shoot b55 most the time,, I just cant get used to the thinner string,,, but if I am testing a bow, sometimes I use fast flight just to see what it will do,, but hunt with a thicker string most the time,,
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Not all speed but if you go D97 you won’t go back!
Less shock, quitter,less stretch and last but not least faster.
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If I build B55, and ff at the same string count at 8 strands now, the ff shoots on average of 6 fps faster. If I build the bow for myself I want that 6 fps. With 35 to 45 lb. bows, and my short draw I will take all the speed I can muster up how ever it comes to me.
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Were ever it comes from.
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As was mentioned, it is more than just speed that you'll gain. There are other significant advantages such as less shock and a more solid feel and likely easier to make it super quiet. They're both "modern" materials so I don't see one as more "traditional" than the other. Also, I HATE working with B55 because its is so much stiffer than B50 was.....so I'm all in on D97, 452X and 8125 string materials.
Matt
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"Not all speed but if you go D97 you won’t go back!"
I have a few bows that others gave me with FF type strings but I still prefer B-50, B-55 for my bows. It has always worked well for me so I'll stick with it until they quit making it. I don't care about speed. As long as my bows are accurate that's all that matters.
Pat have you tried D97?
If not and you are interested I’ll send you some to let you try some. Arvin
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I agree on it not being all about speed. The selfbows i make just feel better shooting fasflight
I would be very disappointed if I had to go back to b50.
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I have a few selfbows that were given to me with FF type strings. Like Brad, I don't like skinny strings and I'm satisfied with the strings I make and use. To each his own.
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Less shock, ...
And a lot less.
That counts the most for me.
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That’s good enough Pat you are right about to each his own. Arvin
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Got a spool of d97 yesterday. We shall see!
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I got away from compounds years ago because of all the ghee gahs and, for me, complicated shooting requirements and went to glass trad bows and instinctive shooting, both recurve and longbows. Then the marketing pushes of the trad community turned me away from that. I love "primitive" archery because of it's simplicity, because I can make most of it myself. As far as I am concerned the simpler the better...as long as it is effective. If I can put the arrow where I want it to go at 20 to 25 yards, no matter the trajectory, I'm happy. Actually this is called ARCHery for a reason. Anything less than that is FLATery. ;D
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I think I was drawn into it bc of the challenge and a genuine interest in the culture of America's native peoples.
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FF and b50 are about equally simple IMO. Both are synthetic fibers that you have to process the same way to get a string.
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If you are a purist you can use linen, or flax hemp or similar materials. Flight shooters shooting self bows are forced to use natural materials as it is a rule. Most on here use a high grade linen for bow material.
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FF and b50 are about equally simple IMO. Both are synthetic fibers that you have to process the same way to get a string.
That’s just wrong but go ahead if that’s what you like.
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I set my records with linen but D97 is better string. Just facts guys.
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What Arvin said... I have tried both on maybe 100 different bows...selfbows, BBOs, glass longbows, and glass recurves... and it almost always makes the bow shoot better.
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Currently getting an average of 10 fps faster with my new d97 string. My old dacron one definitely stretches way more than the new one, as I noticed that it is significantly shorter than my d97 one at the same brace height.
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With my glass bows I consistently got around 10 fps difference between strings. Thats basically 5# bow weight. So basically shooting a #45 bow with FF was giving me same numbers as shooting #50 with B50. I went back to b50 because no much how much I tried I could not get rid of the 'thump' with FF..not a twang just a thump but it was enough that deer were hearing it and ducking me all the time. So what happened was I was putting so much stuff on the string and limbs trying to get rid of it that it negated all the gains I was seeing with it. Went back to b50
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Yeah, I don't like that harsh thump either. Don't like how it sounds or how it feels. I'm not that desperate for a few fps.
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If nothing else, I like how much easier it is to brace a d97 string compared to b50 at higher draw weights. Once both strings are broke I’m I still get a little stretch upon bracing with b50. Which means the limbs have to be bent a bit further to brace the bow. Generally not an issue. But it makes a difference when push pulling higher draw weights.
Kyle
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I posted this once before, but I can't see the post now.
Quote from: tradcraftsman on January 26, 2021, 11:35:54 am
FF and b50 are about equally simple IMO. Both are synthetic fibers that you have to process the same way to get a string.
That’s just wrong but go ahead if that’s what you like.
Why is it wrong?
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I started using D97 several years ago, it is some what faster/quieter/less shock and very little stretch so when you get it braced the first time it stays with very little adjustments ,I also like it for tiller strings, getting a bow to first low brace the first time can be a real pain, not so much with D97, as far as primitive D97/B50 or any of the other man made material aren't, so if I am not using rawhide/sinew/linen or some other natural material I want to use what I think is best, now this is JMO, as was said to each their own. :) I am a pretty simple guy also when it comes to bows, but I guess with string material I went to the DARK SIDE. :D ;) :) :) :) :) :)
Pappy
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yes i thought I was loosing my mind,, my post went away, and a thread I started,, anyway,, Pappy I gonna try the thicker serving as you suggest, why didnt I think of that,, :)
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Ya it works great Brad, they make several sizes, I use .32 seems to fit my nocks well and about the right size, can't tell much difference than when I used .20 on 14 strand B50.
Pappy