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Title: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: cool_98_555 on June 02, 2017, 08:39:40 am
Hello everyone,

I am at the stage of low brace in my tillering on an osage bow right now.  The alignment looks different when the string is tight against the belly versus when the bow is braced 3-4 inches.  I have it at a 3-4" brace right now, and I have been looking at it and was wondering how you know exactly where the string is tracking through the handle.  If I hold the bow vertical as I was going to shoot it, the string looks aligned.  However, if I were to twist the bow in my hand slightly, the string would look off to one side or the other.  I have tried putting one tip on the floor and holding the other tip and let gravity tell me where the string is tracking, but since this stave has character, it confuses me when I try this method.  I THINK it's right because when I hold it up as if I was shooting it, it tracks through the center.  Is there a method so you know for sure?  On some other bows I have ran a string from tip to tip along the back and it has aligned perfectly but when I string the bow up the alignment is way off....any way to know for sure?

Thanks guys
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: Pat B on June 02, 2017, 08:47:13 am
If the string tracks well at low brace while you are holding the bow as you would while shooting should show the proper string alignment. Sighting down the bow letting gravity tell you can be confusing, especially with a character bow.
 Laying a tight string down the bow won't tell you much compared to a low brace. The string should track the same at low brace as it does at full brace.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: BowEd on June 02, 2017, 08:56:01 am
What Pat B said and then the only thing left is to just shoot it.See what it does.Things can be tweaked on character bows before finishing.When I grip the bow to shoot usually I can tell which side I want on character bows.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: cool_98_555 on June 02, 2017, 09:18:31 am
Awesome... thanks guys I appreciate your help!  I think I should be fine then.  I'll just continue to tiller and see what happens when I get to full brace.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: Pat B on June 02, 2017, 09:27:15 am
Once you get to low brace and pull the string past full brace you can go ahead and brace at at full brace. Get that out of the way and continue tillering.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: DC on June 02, 2017, 09:57:43 am
I find that if I close my eyes and grab the braced bow in a comfortable but firmer than usual grip and then draw it you will feel it twist in your hand if it's not right.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: cool_98_555 on June 02, 2017, 11:25:18 am
That's a very interesting method, DC.  I've never tried that before.  I'll have to try that when I get home.  Thanks!
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: bradsmith2010 on June 02, 2017, 11:30:59 am
my 2 cents,,
hold the sting where the bow is balanced,,
then look and see how the bow is orientated,,
that will give you a pretty good idea,,
but how it shoots is the real key,,
you maybe have to shape the handle to face the string,,
 (R
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: cool_98_555 on June 02, 2017, 11:37:38 am
If you hold the string at the balance point, you are letting the bow hang below it, so wouldn't that be a variation of the "gravity method"?
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2017, 11:44:25 am
  I had a bow with me at the flight shoots that was about 2" out of line to the left. Bow wasn't finished yet. Just for the fun of it I shot a few arrows out of it and they went further than I have even shot an arrow. I guess all that extra clearance gave the arrow a cleaner release. However I would not recomend it for hunting or target bows.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: bradsmith2010 on June 02, 2017, 02:46:16 pm
Cool, I dont know,,
but when i site down a bow like that I can tell pretty good which side the string favors,,
and thats how I orientate the bow,,

when I put an arrow on the string I can tell from the angle also ,, hows its lining up,,
but shooting it is the key,,
even if that is at 20 inch draw,,
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 02, 2017, 02:54:26 pm
Gravity doesn't work as it will always looked lined up. If you brace it and hold it's back against a wall FLAT, you will find out if the string and handle are working together on center.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: DC on June 02, 2017, 03:10:44 pm
OK, here's the think too much answer ;D ;D Brace the bow. String a piece of elastic through the loops and stretch it tight, tie it off. Draw the bow and sight across the bowstring, lining it up with the elastic. Where your sight line hits the bow handle is your string alignment. This may be off slightly as the elastic moves with the tips but I have used it and it works.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: bradsmith2010 on June 03, 2017, 01:44:10 pm
Gravity does work well,, that is how the bow is gonna orientate itself when you draw it,,it works especially well with bows that have so much character,, that the bows back may not be flat,, or be facing the string,,
I see your point Pearl,, and I am sure holding the back against the wall works great as well,, :BB

I will add,, I have had guys shooting my bows I aligned with gravity that won state ,, national and world shoots,, so in my experience it has worked well for me,, (--)
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: Del the cat on June 03, 2017, 05:03:24 pm
This post from my blog shows one method I use:-
http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/maple-finished-hazel-bark-on-bow.html (http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/maple-finished-hazel-bark-on-bow.html)
Del
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: Emmet on June 04, 2017, 09:25:09 am
I nock an arrow. If it is close to straight its good.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: Pat B on June 04, 2017, 09:53:13 am
Emmet, not to belittle your comment but it's giving the bow too much credit and not enough to properly spined arrows. Having the arrow lining up straight only refers to a cut to center bow.
 IMO, until first brace, when the bow is under tension, you can not know how the string aligns.
 Also, if the handle is not in alignment with the rest of the bow the string alignment can look off when it is only the handle that is not in alignment.
Title: Re: How to know if the bow is aligned?
Post by: Emmet on June 04, 2017, 01:28:15 pm
Maybe so, I'm just saying you can look at it six different ways but if it doesn't roll in the hand when drawn and there's minimal off set when nocked it will shoot straight. Too much off set, tuning is too finicky. None of mine are cut to center but the ones that are too far off need better aliening. Too much off set can be shot with weaker arrow but weak arrows tend to shoot loose groups. Ive hung it by the string and looked down it or laid it on one tip and held the other to site down it. Its deceiving. When full drawn your pulling it to alignment so to me off set at braced is the more important factor. I agree pressure has to be centered in the handle to eliminate torque.