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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: BowEd on November 11, 2016, 08:10:47 pm
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Hello fellas....
Here's an osage bow that except for 1 delay it gave me came out pretty good.Mostly because it did'nt break....Ha,Ha,Ha.Anyway it's from 1/2 of 2 halves from a 4 to 5 inch tree.Thought I had it done a while back keeping it a self bow but a small splinter came up taking a full draw picture and a fix was in order.Some tapered combed flax over the splinter with smooth on epoxy and a couple of strips of yearling deer rawhide did the trick.Did not notice any poundage gain from that.It's been put though the motions of about 300 arrows and sweating now so I'm confident it'll hold up.First time I've used rawhide so I decided to stain it too.Fiebings' leather dye filled the bill there.Sheep horn overlays on the tips.A simple jute string handle wrap.A black horn inlayed dot strike plate.A lacquer finish over all of that.
The bow is 68" TTT,66.5" NTN.Pulls 47#'s @ 28".For safety reasons I tillered it to 29" @ 49#'s and some change.I noticed working with it to floor tiller while removing wood it seemed harder than most to my farriers rasp.It took no set at 24 to 25 inches so I flipped the tips a bit.It gained maybe a couple of pounds doing that.Still very reasonable set taken to 29" yet.
It rests @ 3" reflex.After shooting a few hours it unbraces to about 2.5" and then back to 3" after 2 hours rest.Total mass weight finished is 18.75 ounces.
The only heat put to this bow has been on the outer 6" of each tip.Otherwise all ala natural.The handle wiggle placement of the arrow pass makes it a true center shot bow.Just a plain pleasant efficient fun bow to shoot and fun to make.Quite a lengthy description I know but I can't help it.It's shorter than a build along though...LOL.Bookoo pics coming.Thanks for looking.First a pic of the fix.
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Full draw....About a foot down from the tip of the top limb is a slight propeller that makes it look like a stiff spot but it's ok.
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That's a beaut! I'm working on a 68" hhb right now. Thought about flipping the tips but thought it might not be worth it at that length. Any thoughts?
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Even at 68" flippng tips to get more early string tension is desireable.Stiff and narrow they should be to reduce mass.It all depends whether your bow is showing set or not while they are straight.Flipping them if the bow shows a fair amount of set at 25" will mostly negate your efforts of flipping those tips.HHB is some pretty good wood.You'll just have to moniter it as you tiller.
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Wow nice bow Ed I really like the blended leather dye & jute wrap gives it a great rustic look , from the pics you get a sense of a very nimble looking light mass bow congrats ,hope you get a chance to poke a few dear with that one.
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Nice job Ed. I'm a little confused through, was the picture of the fix taken before you put on the rawhide?
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Cool. Thanks for the insight. I'm planning on molly-esc outer limbs so I left some thickness out there. I'll see where she's at at 25"
That really is beautiful work. Love the overlays, handle wrap, color transition on the back, ect. Very unique looking. :)
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Thanks fellas.
Stick Bender....The lacquer layers worked.It did'nt chyrsal and crack....lol.The dye did get darker though of course.It'll kill a deer.I'll guarantee you that.Cast on this bow is pretty blame good.I'm having a frustrating season here.3 arrows no deer.2 really nice 4 year old 8 points too yet.One 2 year old 6 point.Last year 1 arrow/1 deer.I'll keep trying....lol.
DC....Yes the fix of combed flax was done before the rawhide went over it and the finish work.I can't seem to do a sort of build along with each bow I post.I did'nt want wraps so flax and rawhide filled the bill.
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Great looking shooter! I really like the tips! Cheers- Brendan
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Thanks penderbender.I'll be back in a bit to comment some more.
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upstatenybowyer.....The handle wrap was left natural color then glazed over with TB3 glue then the finish put on over that.The dye work on the rawhide was a little recollection of doing BBO's in the past like Dean Torges way of a sunburst only without the yellow and red color.
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Beautiful bow Ed. I really like the flipped tips. I'm a fan of that profile.
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Ed i think you are getting this figured out😜
Great looking bow !
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Nice job, really like the finish--the furs too!
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Hey grest bow!!! Like the house, great furs.
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Ooo Ed, you got those wiggles all in the right places. 8)
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OO....Thanks.Seems like there's a lot of that likeness of profile going around most times on a lot of bows displayed.The curvy wervys.....lol.They do serve a good purpose besides looks though.I've seen your beautiful versions of the same thing.Old osage will always bring someone out of a bow making slump.
bubby....Thanks.Yea I got a bit closer to a goal with this one.I saw the potential those 2 staves up there had for a while and decided to try one.They were 4 years old.It's been discussed and really I think a lot of those sapling type staves can make some stout bows.No wonder a lot of osage bendy handled sapling bows are such great stout shooters.
Pat....Thanks.I got one more sister but will have to turn her upside down to get the curves in the right places again.
Orrum & Horthgar....Thanks.If I had my way I'd have the walls covered with furs....lol.2 of my favorite shows of all time are Jeremiah Johnson and Mountain Men.
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OO....Thanks.Seems like there's a lot of that likeness of profile going around most times on a lot of bows displayed.The curvy wervys.....lol.They do serve a good purpose besides looks though.I've seen your beautiful versions of the same thing.Old osage will always bring someone out of a bow making slump.
bubby....Thanks.Yea I got a bit closer to a goal with this one.I saw the potential those 2 staves up there had for a while and decided to try one.They were 4 years old.It's been discussed and really I think a lot of those sapling type staves can make some stout bows.No wonder a lot of osage bendy handled sapling bows are such great stout shooters.
Pat....Thanks.I got one more sister but will have to turn her upside down to get the curves in the right places again.
Orrum & Horthgar....Thanks.If I had my way I'd have the walls covered with furs....lol.2 of my favorite shows of all time are Jeremiah Johnson and Mountain Men.
You sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim... lol don't everyone love that movie
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You can skin Grizz...Ha Ha.There you go pilgrim and I'll get you another.
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Dude!! Sick!! Looks like it'd cast them real straight..
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Thanks loon....You can be sure it does.I've been bare shaft tuning a dozen spruce shafts for it and got them flying like darts without any feathers.Clean and quiet.Does'nt mean the bulls eye is hit every time though.....lol.That part is just like every other bow....lol.
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Very nicely done there Ed. The unstrung profile says it all :)
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" A full time night Woman ???" Nice Bow ! Bob
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Very sweet, gorgeous curves :-*
Del
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Good looking bow, Ed.
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Fantastic bow Ed. I really like your handles.
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Sweet looking bow! Bet it's a nice shooter.
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Thanks fellas.Means a lot from all of you guys.Really your all a part of it one way or another.I was just persistant enough to recognize a good piece of wood.
Should be out a hunting here but woosed out thinking it was too cold.My fingers and wrists get so stiff I can't even unzip to take a leak let alone shoot a bow.....lol.A lot of frost this morning.I got some hand warmers now though.....lol.Will try this evening.
chamookman....That's a classic!!!
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Great looking bow Ed. I like all of it, including the curves and the inlay
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Thanks Aaron.Not that complicated type inlay but it works.....lol.Not like some I've seen.It really does have it's use though and does'nt wear one bit from shooting a lot.A drill bit and a round sliver of horn from the tips of these gemsbok horns.11/32" dot.The arrow shaft covers the dot.It has to be rounded and raised just ever so slightly so the shaft rides on that only without any obstructions from release.A 1/16th inch area.It has to be dark against a lighter background so I can just glance at it in the dark on the stand or in a dark blind.Price I pay for shooting off the knuckle but I'm used to it so it works ok.
The bow you showed just lately was inspiring to me even though this one is not a D/R type.That's a real dandy for sure.Decided to go longer with a bow I guess.I think that's a big part of the success to this bow I made here too as far as holding it's profile.
I'll have to take it out in the rain sometime to see if that layered lacquer finish hold up on that rawhide.Hated putting that on but it was either that or up on the shelf with the others on the shelf of shame.....lol.The overlays I robbed off a failure in the past too,so not throwing them in the wood stove so quick has it's benefits....lol.
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very nice congrats,, I especially like the way you addressed the splinter,, looks great,,
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Thanks Brad.Means a bunch coming from you.Thought I'd show it in case others come across the same problem you know.It's sound as a gold coin.....ha ha ha.Was'nt much of a splinter though but they sure don't heal themselves.
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At this rate, you might turn out a shootable bow, yet! >:D
"Been hearin' ya for days, and smellin' ya for weeks!"
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Very nice looking bow.
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Very nice work!
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Thanks fellas.Gut & selfbow.
JW....That's what the deer are saying here when I'm out a hunting.Watch a top knot!!!
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You can skin Grizz...Ha Ha.There you go pilgrim and I'll get you another.
Bear Claw said it in Jeremiah Johnson
"I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart. I packed me a squaw for ten year, Pilgrim. Cheyenne, she were, and the meanest bitch that ever balled for beads. I lodge-poled her at Deadwood Creek, and traded her for a Hawken gun. But don't get me wrong; I loves the womens, I surely do. But I swear, a woman's breast is the hardest rock that the Almighty ever made on this earth, and I can find no sign on it."
One of my fav too................
DBar
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Word for word I can say it to when I see the film every now and then.....lol.It's impregnated into my memory banks like no other film.
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JW...Got plenty of bows around just not like this one.
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Nice work beadman!
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Thanks wizardgoat.....It's not yew I know,but it'll shoot ok yet....lol.
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Here's some spruce arrow shafts just done for this bow.Nothing real fancy but very functional.Close to10 gpp.Horn inserts/4.5" long & 5/8" tall parabolic feathers.They fly like darts if my anchor and release are done properly.The bare shaft at the bottom is from my findings of making shafts from different woods.It's honey locust.Same spine but around 100 grains heavier.Good for hunting I figure.The top 2 are a couple left over I footed with purple heart.That gave them more grains up front and weigh a little more.Pics.
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Don't know which I like better those arrows or the bow , nice set beautiful !
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very very cool
chuck
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Thanks fellas.
These arrows mostly intended for target shooting should last a while,because I seem to break or lose many of them over time.I like spruce for staying straight good but usually it's a bit light mass wise for me.This bow being into the upper 40's in poundage seems to accomodate them pretty good.I know other types of wood will work too.Maple for one used as a hunting type arrow.Heavier in mass but with a good accomodating spine and of course cane and bamboo should work great too.
I've been questioned about how a bow like this being center shot feels in the hand compared to a non center shot.I feel and see no difference,but like most new bows there will be a marrying up period shooting it to really get good with it,or close in my case....lol.I'm sure snaky bows by fellas can vouch for me about this because they can be this way too to different degrees for string alignment.
I'm always here to answer questions and hope to learn more from different findings from other bowyers.
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Yeah, just plain jane arrows with horn nock inserts and purpleheart footings! >:D You mean just plain elegant!
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Arrows look great too Ed, I need to try those horn nock inserts someday, Very classy
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It's a good place to use excess horn that's laying around with those inserts on the nocks.There is a longitudal line grain to horn.Length wise with the length of the shaft seems to work the best.Longer inserts for more reflexed pre loaded bows.Usually with just a regular self bow an inch is long enough.Putting them in does'nt seem to take me any longer than wrapping the nocks.
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Yeah, they sure do add a pretty high degree of class to the arrows, as well as good function.
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Very nice work Ed in all aspects, nice save and looks like it all worked out great, I love them Osage staves that have the snakes in just the right place for the arrow pass, I have a few like that and they really shoot nice and make for easier arrow tuning , and of course I love the flipped tip, I do almost all my that way. :)
Pappy
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That's a beautiful set of arrows, Ed. Nice work! I only have one osage bow with a natural kink in the handle like that. It's my best shooter, or maybe just the one that is most forgiving of my crappy form. Agree with you and Pappy 100% on how easy it is to get good arrow flight with a bow like that.
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Thanks pap & GB.....Most hedge got some kind of wiggles seems like.Sometimes it can do us favors like this.It'll make a good target bow at the 3D shoots to keep my FG bow shooter buddies in line about wooden bows till next hunting season and will try to get a deer or a turkey with it.
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I'm a sucker for a plant fiber handle wrap. My favorite style. Beautiful weapon.
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Just found that beautie via BOM.
Sorry for my late response. That stick is really nice, love your finish work and the fading colors.
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Just the same as Simson Ed, you must have posted this one while we where digging beets. She's a real beauty and those arrow are fantastic to. Are the spruce shoot shafts or parallel? Only asking cause I'm always on the lookout for good shaft material, their beautiful in any case. The near center shoot really is nice for tuning arrow to bow. That is a beautiful bow and I love how the wiggles in the handle worked out for you. Very nice profile and holding it good to. Thanks for entering her in the BOM. Glad I didn't miss her completely sorry didn't post reply sooner.
Bjrogg
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Thanks fellas.It was fun to make.They entered it into the self bows contest.Don't think it qualifies with a rawhide backing there though.Lots of good bows entered this month in both catagories.Self and backed.
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Your work is exceptional, congratulations.
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Beautiful bow and arrows, Beadman. Excellent. I hope you get a chance to hunt with them.
Jawge
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I texted cip and he got it straightened out over to backed bows he says.Thanks cip.It will be pretty hard sledding getting a cap with this kind of competition.....lol.Thanks fellas.
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Beautiful bow, I really like the handle area. Center shot helps.