Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: FlintWalker on March 01, 2008, 09:30:10 pm
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Seeing as all you fellers been posting all them purty points lately and I don't Knapp. I thought i'd put up some pictures of what i've picked up over the years. Most of them came from backer patches (that's tobacco for you city slickers).
Nothing museum quality, but pretty good to have avoided the discs and plows for so long. In the time it's taken me to find this many good ones, I guess i've picked up 15 gallons of scrapers, preforms, tips, tails and just worked pieces.
I like to look, so let's see what you got!
Saw Filer
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I'm still lookin Shannon - as soon as I find something worth pickin up here in Laredo I'll post it. Man you got yerself one heck of a nice collection there - just wanna stare at em :D.
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That's some great stuff, Shannon. That big dogleg Lost Lake is a good'un. Looks like you have some good flint around there. Here's a few of the points that I 've found in the 'baccer patches and cornfields around here. We have no flint here, so most of them are made from local quartzite. There's a few really old ones and some smaller late points made from TN. chert:
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Wow! You guys been walking the baccer feilds alot or else theirs just points laying everywhere. Wish I still had that bag of quartzite points I found on the lakeshore. Loaned em to the daughter (years ago) to take to school for show and tell - never saw em again :'(.
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I've sold all of mine. You can see one, a Bull Tongue Simpson, in the arrowhead book called," The Best of the South". I think they have it listed for $2400.
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Every one of those has a story. Really makes you wonder, don't it. I've only found one or two in my life, but to be honest, I've really not been hunting much until now. I did get one from my granddad's garden. I'll try to dig it out and post later. There used to be a wheat bottom about two miles away that after it was plowed, there'd always be folks out in the middle walking around on the highest spot near the creek that runs through it. One day I asked my dad what they were doing, and he said they were looking for "artifacts". Now it's a hay field so it rarely sees a plow. I may ask the owner if I can look around.
Keep posting guys. I love this kind of stuff. Great points.
Otoe
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i personnaly have never found a point,dont know where to look for them where i live.
when i was in 6th grade,i had friend that had moved here from indiana and he had coffee cans full of points and a couple of tomahawk heads he had found one his dads farmland back in indiana. didnt think much of it back then other than "cool,you thing they were ever shot into a white man?"
wish i had all those coffee cans now that i found this primitive thing that i've become addicted to.
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Cowboy, they ain't laying everywhere. What you're looking at is hundreds of miles of walking. It's no problem to find low grade woodland type points. I looked over a 3 acre patch a few years ago and at the end of the day had found 60 complete points and not one of them worth over $1. That field had never been plowed and was apparently a camp site. I put all of them in a case and the landowner paid me $60 for them. He was as happy to buy them, as I was to find them. I've since looked in that field and never came away with more than a couple.
Here's a few more. What do you make of the fluted piece? I think it was gonna be a Cumberland, but broke somewhere in the process of making it.
BTW Hillbilly, my favorite material is quartzite. I rarely see real nice flaking on them but have seen a few that were super nice. I know a guy that has a big sandy you can read through.
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Most of these were found in coastal South Carolina near Hilton Head, Is. There is no natural stone in that area so all the lithics came from elsewhere, either as raw materials or probably preforms. We even found obsidian blade points. Some were found at a leveled 60 acres on a bluff above the Colleton River and some from a river swamp hunting club. The whelk shells were used as drills. The center column had a natural spiral to it. The mummified rat I found in a bag of grass seed and the false teeth I found in an old junk pile along my driveway. ;D
There are cedar hummocks throughout the salt marsh areas that have shell rings on them and as the river cuts away at the banks the shell rings are exposed. I never found points near the shell rings but lots of potters shards, some bone needles and antler tine pressure flakers (or oyster knives ;D). We always found oyster shells, muscle shells and clam shells along with the whelks as part of these rings. I believe they were basically dump areas. The Natives would sit around eating shell fish and throwing the shells, along with other "trash" over their shoulders. Pat
ps. The small pot, a prized possession, was given to me by my Aunt Sue. When she was in high school her boy friend gave it to her. If she were still alive she would be near 90. Sue said it came from near the Neches River in Texas.
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Here are the bits and pieces I have found over the years. Each drawer is a year of walking the fields here. The small white point I'm pointing at was my first find and found it in a hay field!!
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Hey Pat
Looks like you lost your teeth ;D
wvflintknapper
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Nice stuff, everybody. Pat's saving that mummified rat for hard times, you'd probably have to boil it a good while to get it tenderized, though :). Shannon, I'd say you're right about that being a Cumberland preform. It looks like it's already been pressure flaked to set up the median ridge. Looks like a rollout fracture during fluting when the flute flake dives through the piece, I've produced several "takedown" fluted points myself. :) What does the other side look like? Oh, and I'll trade you a ton of quartzite for a hundred pounds of that slick gray flint. ;D
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@ Pat B: the claypot is nice. Where did you get it? Which time and culture? Was it complete in 1 piece?
Regards Uwe
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Uwe, The clay pot came to me complete and unbroken from my aunt. She got it 75 years ago from an old boyfriend. It came from the Neches River in Texas( ???). The period and culture are unknown to me.
As far as the rat and teeth goes, I have a box full of "interesting" stuff like that. I love to collect all sorts of stuff and you never know when you might just need a mummified rat or old set of false teeth. ;D Pat
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Nice stuff ya'll ;D. Yeah, I was jokin about that Shannon :). I heard somewhere that on average, people who walk/dig for artifacts find one every eighteen hours. Those collection's ya'll have there equate to a lot of ground poundin...
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hey pat - now you have been searching for your false teeth for so long HERE they are...right next to that mummified rat of yours!
;D ;D ;D
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Frank, he musta been gnawing on that old tough rat and they fell out. ;D
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I'll trade you a ton of quartzite for a hundred pounds of that slick gray flint
Thanks, but no thanks, Hillbilly. I'm not a knapper, but have tried it some and I know how tough and grainy that stuff is. That's one reason I admire nice points made from it so much.
Here's a few more I had around the house and a picture of the other side of that fluted piece.
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Shannon, that's what I was expecting. Looks like the first side was fluted successfully, and the flake dived when they were fluting the other side. That's really interesting-you can tell from your point what stage of manufacture they were doing the fluting on the Cumberlands-looks similar to the Folsom preforms I've seen pics of. There's not nearly as much known about the Cumberlands as the Folsom and Clovis stuff. I would definitely hang on to that piece.
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Hey Pat,how come you didnt mention the little green man? Somebodys likely to find some of those where I grew up.Not intact though, I was hard on those guys,firecrackers and such. Auggie.
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Auggie, glad to know i wasn't the only one. ;D BBs and .22 short hollow points are pretty rough on the little guys, too. :)
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Shannon, That's a nice Bolen bevel. If I can get over to my buddy Rick's house I'll take some pictures of some real killer ,expensive points. They are mostly Agatized Coral found down here. Each case is probally worth about $30 grand a piece. Hillbilly's seen them ,I think.
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Yeah, I saw Rick's cases at the Clinch River knapin a couple years ago. Absolute jaw droppers.
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Well I looked in all the places I thought I'd kept my childhood mementos for the few points (thinking back and knowing what little I now know, they were probably preforms) but I can't seem to find them. I hope they didn't go the way of many a kid's baseball card collections left in the attic. :(
Nice collections guys. Very educational too.
I am going to have to make another trip to the Sam Noble Museum of Natural History at the University of Oklahoma. It's got a lot of nice points on display. Mainly those found in and around Oklahoma. Lots of Clovis points if I remember correctly. Does that sound about right, geographically?
Otoe
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Thanks Eddie. I didn't know I had a bolan bevel ??? Which one you talkin about?
About the most expensive point I ever seen was a 7" cumberland. It was at a show in Gallatin, Tn. The guy who had it turned down $20,000 for it that day, TWICE!!! I say that's where two fools met! Of course my wife thinks i'm a fool. I turned down $350 for the Lost Lake and $500 for the serrated Dove Tail. She say's if anything ever happens to me, she's selling them "rocks".
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Augie, One of the few remaining survivors! ;D Mine usually burned up when molten plastic dripped on them from the model air plane bombers that were dispatched. 8) >:D Pat
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The Bolen is the second from the left, top row in the picture above. You would be suprised what people will pay for points in mint condition. I've bought quite a few firearms and paid for hunting trips with the points I have found.
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here are a few i found here in s.c.
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Here's some broken points I found on the jobsite here in Alabama - nothing near as nice as what you guys have but artifacts nonetheless ;D. Look like something the indian kids were trying to make - learning to knap maybe.
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Hey Cowboy, if that were my hard hat Id have a PA sticker on it. Auggie.
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That sounds like a good idea Auggie - I didn't know PA stickers could be had, if so maybe I'll come away from the classic with some :).
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Great thread and great points everybody! I'm having trouble with photobucket right now so I'll post some of mine as soon as I can.
Alan
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Okay photobucket decided to work for me so here are some of the ones I've found here in western North Carolina over the years.
The first frame are complete or only minor breaks. My brother actually found the quartzite Savanah River with the vien across it in the middle, it's three inches long. Talk about excited, man I about died when he found that. :o
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The next two frames are mostly broken pieces
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Here's a better pic of that Savanah River from the first frame along with a Kirk Corner Notch and a Woodland Period arrowhead that are also in the first pic.
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Alan
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Awesome pics Alan. Here's a couple of pics of my grandfathers and then mine. I forgot to put a reference in the pics but the largest point in the 1st is 3.5". The scraper and large point are 3.75". My grandfather grew up in Battleground, IN. and lived less than a mile from Prophetstown/Battle of Tippecanoe involving Chief Tecumseh and former President William Henry Harrison. My grandfather was finding these point only 30 years after the battle.
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Here is some "stuff" I found in the Gastonia area.
Dick
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