Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: DC on January 30, 2016, 07:44:03 pm
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I have to start breaking my string making into pieces and asking your advice. If you look at the picture you can see I've just closed the loop and my tails are 5" long. Are they long enough? It's fast Flight.
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It will should work. I make my loop at 7-1/2" and sometimes adjust slightly to change the length.
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That's about what I've always done, no problems.
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More than enough Don
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Thanks guys
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They are plenty long enough. Now, separate the two tags and add one to each strand and begin to twist into the string.
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The strands need to be matched and not crossed over.
When I tie a string with the same color I usually put a few marks with a magic marker the last 10 inches or so.
Jawge
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I've wondered about this. I always use one color cause I'm too cheap to buy two rolls :) Can you give me a "why" on this. I can't imagine a reason but then I don't have much of an imagination. What will happens if I "cross the strings"
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I usually use 2 colors and cross them over at the loop fro the back splice because I like the pattern it makes. I don't know if it is right or wrong but I've never had problems with it.
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I've wondered about this. I always use one color cause I'm too cheap to buy two rolls :) Can you give me a "why" on this. I can't imagine a reason but then I don't have much of an imagination. What will happens if I "cross the strings"
Makes no difference and crossing them over is actually a more natural continuation of the countertwist to form the loop. Trying to NOT cross them over makes the first part of the blend more awkward. Once you get it started it's fine though.
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Thanks. I managed to make one the right length last night. I find that when I string the bow the first time the brace height drops about an inch or so and the loops get bigger. I'm guessing this is the twist tightening up under strain. Does that sound about normal? I'm wondering if I'm twisting it tight enough?
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They do have to settle a bit under tension. Make your actual loops a few twists smaller the next time. Can you take a pic of a few spots down the length of the string? Finished loops, blended section and center?
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Here ya go. Hope this is what you need. Last time I made the loops as small as I could and still get them on the bow. They seem to stretch out about right. I used 10 strands of Fast Flight.
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I was taught to match the colors by a pro string maker years ago. The one where I did not, he unraveled and retied it.
That method has served me well. For grins and giggles I'll unmatch the next string I tie and compare.
I do not think it will splice in as neatly.
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It will make no difference except visually if the colors are different, Jawge. It actually boils down to where you are on your countertwist as you form the loop. Each time you twist to extend your potential loop length the tails will match and then mismatch for each turn.
I was inaccurate in saying it was easier to just cross them over. I meant that it is easier than noticing they don't match and trying to place them correctly without just adding one more twist. Backtracking to do that results in a tension loss.
Five minutes with a few bundles will show you this.
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PatM,
I think we are talking about different things here.
I have tied hundreds of 2 bundle strings. After the initial twisting, to get the loop size, I match the colors and finish twisting the loops.
This is the standard way to tie a Flemish. It lays in nicely. Looks great.
Sam Harper does great videos. Here's one on doing the Flemish twist. Let's do the twist. :)
http://traditionalarchery101.com/
Jawge
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Nope. We are talking about the same thing. Flemish twists pre-date multi colored strings. Matching the colors is irrelevant to the way the tails blend in as far as smoothness and strength.
Try it.
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OK, PatM, i said I would tie 2 loops...one with the ends swapped and one with the ends matched (the way i was taught). I just tied 2 small 6 strand loops so as not to waste too much material.
There is very definitely a difference in the appearance of the string. When the ends are matched the splice just seems to flow into the body of the string.
Not so when the ends are unmatched. My very first attempt years ago was tied this way so I knew there was a difference. It kind of looks convoluted in appearance with no natural transition.
The unpracticed eye probably won't see a difference.
I don't think there would be difference in strength.
Anyway, tie them the way you want as will I. Whatever pleases you.
Jawge
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That's because there is no difference. The twists pattern is the same, that's what influences the blend, not the color. If your splice doesn't look good either way that's a consistency problem, ;)
I just repeated the test multiple times to minimize bias. The loops are as identical as can be. Especially when I rinsed the sharpie color out to eliminate any visual color bias.
I'll take some pics if you like and I defy you to point out a difference.
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PatM,
I guess we will have to leave it at that.
Jawge