Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Spotted Dog on October 23, 2015, 03:08:21 pm
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ok , I know this ain't Purdy but my first attempt to do an ABO point. I know the abrader is from a grinding wheel :o
Comments please.
From a Burlington flake I had.
Dog
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looks like a killer from here. Ed
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I really like Burlington and Keokuk for points..
Your point is ready for an arrow...looks great to me.
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that looks pretty to me.
excellent work 8)
also, that burlington looks just like the keokuk i have.
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Thanks guys. got some flakes and stuff coming Tom.
I hope to get more practice in soon.
Dog
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That looks good to me. Thanks for posting
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I got into my fire making kits and found that piece. Man the chips go everywhere.
I think , at least hope I like this. To be able to make my own points. :laugh:
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Got the box of goodies from Tom. Now for some learnin.
Thanks Tom.
Dog
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No problem. Enjoy! ;D
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Thats a great start, keep at it and don't give up. Study it and learn the techniques and it will get easier.
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Dan the only thing I can see wrong with it is there's no blood on it.
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Thanks guys. I am having trouble with pressure flaking. How to discern platforms. Maybe my lighting is bad.
I abrade but can't seem to get a flake . Only tiny chips. Of coarse I'm working on small stuff. Help Please.
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Could be the angle of attack, could be the energy you're applying, could be the tine quality, could be the supporting of the piece, could be a weak platform, could be the grain of the rock. Any of these variables (and more) can easily play a role in what's happening.
Show us the before and after edge you attempt to flake. Show us the resulting tiny chips.
Take a photo of how you are holding the piece you're working on. Are you bracing on the inside of your legs?
Give as much info as possible.
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^^ in for explanation.
also, nice sketch 8)
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I think the angle and support of the piece first and then tine.
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one I just finished. I used a different tine. supported it in layers of softer buffalo hide.
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Dog
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here's an exaggerated platform:
note how it sits below center-line of the edge you'd be working?
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this shows the underlying ridge material/mass. the ridge-line essentially indicates the orientation that you'd like to align your tine with.
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here is how i would try to support this piece for the removal. note how i try not to allow the ridge to come into contact with the palm of my hand.
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and here is where the tine would make contact (after abrading):
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continue with inward pressure (into the ridge) until the platform gives.
please excuse my plastic tine. it's the eraser end of my pen for my wacom tablet.
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I used a different tine.
cool.
yeah. i don't have many tines in my tool kit yet. but i do know that i can't flake with one of them. even though i've tooled the end to look like the one i normally use. i'm guessing it has a different density or something.
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two small ones. The one on the right I haven't really finished yet. The gray one was bigger. it broke but saved it.
My biggest problem is nerve damage in neck and arms. I can't do too much for a long time. Bad pain if I do.
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^^ great progress.
i would attempt to continue scarring that gray one so that the scars match the opposing edge. you'll lose a little width, but it looks like you have a great series going on that edge.
in regards to the nerve damage, learn to compensate with other parts of your body, e.g. your legs can help exert lots of force while your hands align your piece/tool with said force. if you make an ishi stick, you can also use your torso.
good luck with the one on the right. can't wait to see it complete. that is some amazing veining.
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Yea I am hooked. Just gotta keep those chips of my new floor.
Thank you for the help.
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Another way to get longer flakes is to press straight into the point with a bit of force right on the edge then while pressing in peel the flake down. It looks like your not placing your tine on the edge but up a bit more. That'll usually result in a short chip. It's good to do on the opposite side of a ridge so then you can flip it over and remove the whole ridge in one go. I'll post a picture later to illustrate. I can't draw nearly as well as Iowa.
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^^ any updates? :)
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Ha, I'll get pictures tomorrow. I got a new pellet gun and didn't even look at my knapping stuff today.
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I will get back out in my garage Thursday and work a bit . Got a sick granddaughter
to take care of.
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Newest try. abo and copper. ?????????????????
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That looks nice