Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: Abo on September 24, 2015, 11:51:25 pm
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There is nothing like the feel and the smell of smoked braintan when you wear it.Its a tough job to make but when it turns out right it's worth every bit of it. Can I get an Amen.
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Amen ! Natures Gore-Tex. Great looking outfit Sir ! Bob
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Yep love it also, getting about that time of year for me to start. :) Love the shirt.
Pappy
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Tell me about your flintlock, I am flintlock guy.
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I love brain tanned too and some day I'll make myself a shirt. 8)
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Eric the flint lock is a 45 cal. Pederzoli. I carry it at most rendezvous that I attend.Its a pretty nice gun but I'm sending pics of a gun a close friend made for me that's a real peach. It's a 62 cal. smooth bore octagon to round barrel with a Siler lock. The stock is a real nice piece of hard rock mapel. Tell me about your guns.
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I finished this English fowler this year, turkey gun, 38" 12ga barrel, jug choked full.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/English%20Fowler/fowleredit_zps60423a57.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/English%20Fowler/fowleredit_zps60423a57.jpg.html)
25 yard pattern with 1 1/4 oz of #4s, a little over a foot in diameter.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/English%20Fowler/heavy%20over%20wad%20pattern%20001_zpsrqzky7v0.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/English%20Fowler/heavy%20over%20wad%20pattern%20001_zpsrqzky7v0.jpg.html)
I made this 54cal Beck rifle a couple years ago, my first build and kinda' sloppy;
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/beck%20rifle/baghornsandrifle.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/beck%20rifle/baghornsandrifle.jpg.html)
I have an old Gustomsky trade gun in 20ga;
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/English%20Fowler/Gostomsky%20trade%20gun%20001_zps4mb3y01z.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/English%20Fowler/Gostomsky%20trade%20gun%20001_zps4mb3y01z.jpg.html)
And a .44 with a Bill Large barrel and a Roller lock, a tack driving rifle.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/hunting%20stuff/007_zpsf39c9480.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/hunting%20stuff/007_zpsf39c9480.jpg.html)
Here is the wood in the .44, unreal;
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bifffsgunwood2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/bifffsgunwood2.jpg.html)
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Wow Eric you are the flintlock man. Very impressive. My smooth bore holds a pretty tight pattern with 4s and 6s mixed with a very light kork wad in front.Thats what I usually shoot limb rats with. I killed a real nice Tom with it also.
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This is going to sound really off in left field but..... A guy was experimenting with putting a whole 1/2" lubed fiber wad over his shot to see what would happen, dang if he didn't get a tighter pattern. I tried it and got a better pattern. Next I tried two 1/8" hard cards over my shot and got the pattern in the picture.
One light card over the shot.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/English%20Fowler/heavy%20over%20wad%20pattern%20002_zpsup0vl5oj.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/English%20Fowler/heavy%20over%20wad%20pattern%20002_zpsup0vl5oj.jpg.html)
Two 1/8" hard cards (lubed) over the shot;
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/English%20Fowler/heavy%20over%20wad%20pattern%20001_zpsrqzky7v0.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/English%20Fowler/heavy%20over%20wad%20pattern%20001_zpsrqzky7v0.jpg.html)
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Nice pattern Eric. I'm going to have to try that with my 12 gauge. I also have a William Large in 47 cal. and it's a tack driver, also. I like your skin clothes, Abo. I'm joining the Florida Frontiersmen this year and getting all of my stuff together. Did you make the canvas tent?
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I have an Italian made, side by side 12 gauge cap lock, that I used, Winchester, Double A wads over the powder, and a punched out wad from a Styrofoam meat tray, and one over the shot. I used to shoot doves with it, and had to shoot, then duck down, to see where the dove fell. But it patterned very well, and shot buck shot excellent also. When I was using it at a dove shoot with some friends, I took my Ithaca 12 gauge pump, because the doves were flying in frequent flocks, so I would shoot with my muzzle loader, and then take my model 37 and go pick up my doves, and then shoot some more with my Ithaca, and pick them up and go back to my place near the tree line, and if I had time, I would reload the muzzle loader, and shoot it again. I was a lot of fun, and the funniest part was my Buddy said the guys on the other side of the field, kept asking what the hell kind of gun is he shooting, it sounds like a cannon!
Wayne
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Thanks for the pics Guy, but You are killing Me. I'm just getting into the whole Flint Lock game. Have chosen the Era and My Persona and a Trade Gun will be My first Flinter. A Bud and I are building Kits this winter. Have had Percusion Guns in the past and looking forward to the transition. Seems that Primitive Archery & Flintlocks just go hand and hand. Bob
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Have you watched Mike's series on building a bucks county kit Bob? Long with a lot of segments but will give you an idea of what you are getting in to.
Here is the starting segment;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJBNg_NLASA
I have a TOW Issac Hanes kit waiting in the wings for a future build. I picked it up off the Stickbow classified of all places for about half what it was worth. A guy bought it and realized he didn't have the skills to put it together. He traded it to another guy for several bows. The second guy wanted to turn it over for some cash so I snapped it up. It has the best parts and wood and would cost about $1100 from Track. I got it for half that.
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I'll have to try a half wad and see what it does. Hadn't tried anything different since I tried it making paper shells and just dumping the powder and shoving
the rest down and shooting but it knocked a hole in the pattern that's when I went to the kork wads. I need to experiment more also with rounball to. No Mullet I didn't make the shelter it from Panther Primitives. I have a 12x12 hunter piaramid also. They are sunforger fire retarded canvas.
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Thanks Eric, I'll check that out. Bob
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I copied and pasted this description of the kinds of "kits" that are available, pretty much sums it up. Most people are familiar with CVA and TC kits which are vastly different from the period correct kits out there.
I hope you understand these "kits" offered by Track of the Wolf, Pecatonica River, Jim Chambers,Muzzleloader Builders Supply, etc are far from a easily built "kit". In fact, they could be more properly called a "box of rough parts".
Absolutely nothing will fit.
The only things that comes close to being finished parts are the lock and the trigger. Even these parts require locating, drilling and threading the holes for the screws that hold the parts to the stock.
The barrel is not finished. It is rifled but the sight dovetails are not cut and on many of them the breechplug is not installed. This applies to the trigger guard, butt plate, side plate too. These are just rough, unfinished sand castings.
All of the parts will need to be inletted into the wooden stock. This applies to the barrel, lock, trigger guard, butt plate, side plate and ramrod thimbles.
Speaking of the stock, even it is just a moderately close roughed out blank which will require a LOT of wood removal to be close to the real longrifles.
Knowledge of metal and wood work is a definite requirement.
Plan on spending a minimum of 120 hours of your time to finish your gun. Actually, for a first build, a number like 180 hours would be closer if you want your gun to be something you can be proud of.
I'm not telling you all of this to discourage you. I just don't want to see anyone go into this with the idea that the gun will be ready for assembly.
Speaking of ready for assembly, Traditions, Lyman and Pedersoli offer kits that are easy to assemble and finish.
These are basically the same guns these companies sell but the parts don't have their finish sanding and finishing done.
These "Big Factory Kits" are indeed, true "kits" with all of the threaded holes located and finished.
They require something like 15-30 hours of your time to finish depending on whether you wish to make modifications like reshaping the stock or installing inlays or wire inlays.
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Thanks Eric - We are doing the "Easy" kits to start and who knows where it will head at a later date. Bob