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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Zuma on August 17, 2015, 11:57:18 pm

Title: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: Zuma on August 17, 2015, 11:57:18 pm
Although I am skeptical when it comes to these type
sites---- This report is very interesting nonetheless.
A little long winded but worth the read IMO.
Zuma
I hope the link works

Clovis Technology at the Anzick Site, Montana

escholarship.org/uc/item/1gr0p7t5.pdf (http://escholarship.org/uc/item/1gr0p7t5.pdf)



Peer Reviewed. Title: Clovis Technology at the Anzick Site, Montana. Journal Issue: Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology, 13(2). Author:.
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: turbo on August 18, 2015, 05:26:04 pm
Thanks for the link, I'll read when time allows.
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: caveman2533 on August 18, 2015, 07:24:40 pm
 I have not read the whole thing yet but found this to be interesting given the assumption by many that  paleo people did not heat treat stone.

"After the stone was quarried, tested, and percus- sion flaked into functional bifacial cores, the incipient cores were heat-treated to ensure opti-
mum flakeability. Heat treatment also ensured that all cutting edge produced from the core was the sharpest possible (but not necessarily the most durable; Rick and Chappell 1983:74)."
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: Zuma on August 18, 2015, 08:05:13 pm
Ah yes, Steve
The read wants to make me beleive
the find is legit but then again there is so much
to sort out??
Hard to make out this guys position but the
disputed info could be helpful down the road.
The link don't work for me. Cut and paste >:(

The dubious association of Anzick 1 with Clovis artifacts | ...
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/.../the-dubious-association-of- (https://genetiker.wordpress.com/.../the-dubious-association-of-... -) Similarto The dubious association of Anzick 1 with Clovis artifacts | ...
Mar 14, 2014 ... Another Clovis cache site, Anzick in southwestern Montana, contained more .... This page has this map of North American vegetation 13,000 ...
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: caveman2533 on August 18, 2015, 08:28:02 pm
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2014/03/14/the-dubious-association-of-anzick-1-with-clovis-artifacts/

Will have to read this one too.
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: Zuma on August 18, 2015, 09:05:57 pm
Hey thanks Steve  ;D
I am not sure but I think the guy sorta thinks the Solutrean
stuff is possible. It is from 2014. Perhaps he didn't get the
Eren et al and recent DNA reports. lol
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: Ghost Knapper on August 18, 2015, 10:18:17 pm
I havent read the article yet but flipped through it quickly wonder if the beveled bone rods are anything like the ones found as part of the Ritchey Clovis Cache?
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: JackCrafty on August 18, 2015, 11:00:00 pm
On the subject of the bone rods, the people who study Clovis artifacts are probably not looking at things like Ishi's tools (big surprise).  The bone rods found on Clovis sites look a lot like the rods Ishi used on his fishing spears.  But I don't know if Ishi's are made of bone.  Maybe one of you guys can help me out there...

http://content.cdlib.org/view?docId=kt4q2nb0qt&chunk.id=c01-1.9.3.2&brand=calisphere?ref=sometimes-interesting.com

Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: turbo on August 19, 2015, 08:24:56 am
Have a day off work so I plan to read it soon. @ 'ghost'; yes, they look very similar to the Wenatchee ivory rods. @ 'jack'; I've heard a few theories on what the bone rods could have been used for but have not heard your theory. Very interesting thought.
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: Zuma on August 19, 2015, 10:27:52 am
Thanks for the help and interest folks.
The rods are interesting to me mostly because they show up in the cashes
but I haven't read much about them in actual digs. No matter what they
are, they sure must require a lot of work to produce.
Bob Patten claims that western Clovis points have very little to no pressure flaking.
But the analysis claims the points and smaller base flutes were pressure flaked???
It's like there is absolutely no agreement on these cashes.

Zuma

Bobs comments come from Uniface TreasureNet
 New record clovis (http://New record clovis)
Title: Re: Anzick site (Clovis cashe) analyzed
Post by: Zuma on August 22, 2015, 11:26:55 am
Here is some good photos/drawings of Wenatchee
cashe bone rods and stone artifacts.
They are assumed to be similar to the Anzick rods/tools.
Zuma

EAST WENATCHEE CLOVIS SITE - Arrowheads.com (http://EAST WENATCHEE CLOVIS SITE - Arrowheads.com)

www.arrowheads.com/index.php/.../390-east-wenatchee-clovis-site - (http://www.arrowheads.com/index.php/.../390-east-wenatchee-clovis-site -) Similarto EAST WENATCHEE CLOVIS SITE - Arrowheads.com
Robert Mierendorf named the site the East Wenatchee Clovis Site, and it was ... State Historical Society Museum Collection; photo by Dr. Mike Gramly). f35a.

East Wenatchee Clovis Photo Gallery | Northwest Coast ... (http://East Wenatchee Clovis Photo Gallery | Northwest Coast ...)

qmackie.com/2010/09/23/east-wenatchee-clovis-photo-gallery/ -  (http://qmackie.com/2010/09/23/east-wenatchee-clovis-photo-gallery/ -)Similarto East Wenatchee Clovis Photo Gallery | Northwest Coast ...
Sep 23, 2010 ... One of the East Wenatchee Clovis Points. .... the artifacts recovered was done by RM Gramley in 2004 in the Journal of the American Society for ...