Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: dylanholderman on August 03, 2015, 11:18:55 pm
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so not the best pic for this, O:)
bow is canted, has lots of character and the lighting is weird :-X
what do you guys think? should i get the outers moving some more or leave em? i'm already at my draw length and losing a few pounds wont bother me.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/26E57428-6B01-43D4-BB79-EA66AC24B9BC.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/26E57428-6B01-43D4-BB79-EA66AC24B9BC.jpg.html)
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I like to keep my outer stiff. To be honest with you if I hit my draw length I am done. Its good to make any correcions before you get that far. If the bow shoots good as I suspect it does I would leave it.
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Looks pretty good to me from what I can tell by the picture, love to see it un strung and maybe could tell more. :)
Pappy
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Need more pictorial evidence
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Need more pictorial evidence
+2
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additional "pictorial evidence" ;D
lighting is still bad tho :-\
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/24128F2A-0B96-4156-B21E-44E328B7DD40.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/24128F2A-0B96-4156-B21E-44E328B7DD40.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/F924A211-BBFF-4179-B4F2-A5ED81142399.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/F924A211-BBFF-4179-B4F2-A5ED81142399.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/CDCA70AC-570F-477A-817D-8E9B8AA094A3.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/CDCA70AC-570F-477A-817D-8E9B8AA094A3.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/95C2DF1D-36B8-4DF2-84C5-80C014AF1C0B.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/95C2DF1D-36B8-4DF2-84C5-80C014AF1C0B.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/F7E5AC1F-D628-4F3E-94E2-CC4DD10C9B2F.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/F7E5AC1F-D628-4F3E-94E2-CC4DD10C9B2F.jpg.html)
i was going for more of a Egyptian shape at brace. my pics don't show it well but the back is covered in tons of pin knot's, no problems with them so far though :D
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is that yew? that is a wild looking bow. I like it. Show a full draw with the bow upright and straight from the side.
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You have my intrest.....Little more details.
Bow length?
Draw length?
Draw weight?
Wood type?
But them toes :o :)
DBar
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bow length is 58in ntn
draw weight/length 70ish? @ 28in (haven't been able to weigh it yet)
wood type Japanese yew, aka the ugly evergreen bushes people like to plant in there front yard ::)
i will try and get a better full draw tomorrow, its dark where i am right now.
yes i have big o'l goblin feet ;D
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Since you have very, very little reflex in those limbs, your tiller should be more round. Since it not round, that means your handle is doing 75% of the work.
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...which may translate into more hand shock than it needs...
I'm with pearly, I'd try to get the outers moving a bit more, but ultimately, if it is comfortable to you then shoot it.
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A common misconception is that RD bows should look like a "V" when drawn, and that can be true if there is a large amount of mid limb reflex being pulled flat as the bow is drawn. But, if the limbs start mostly flat, then they should become more round as the bow is drawn. If they don't become more round, then the handle area has to give way and that's not good.
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thanks pearl i'll get them moving better :)
it started out with more but most of it pulled out :-\ the tips where about a inch ahead of the handle, now they are at least that far behind it.
set seems to be the part of bow building i struggle with the most >:( i can get a decent bend but i have never gotten away with less than 1in -1 1/2in of set.
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When you do figure it out with that short of bow and length of draw......let me know because you will have it all figured out. I think only 1 1/2" of set is really good for that bow. but that is just my thoughts.......
DBar
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thanks Danzn that makes me feel a bit better ;)
here are some better full draw shots
before i did any scraping
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/2C28B16A-0A2E-4600-95E2-61C063957DB1.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/2C28B16A-0A2E-4600-95E2-61C063957DB1.jpg.html)
and after
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/95616F93-31D6-4C29-B55F-4824C5748B24.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/95616F93-31D6-4C29-B55F-4824C5748B24.jpg.html)
i feel that the outers are still stiff, but they are starting to get rather thin compared to the rest of the limb :-X
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Its all in the handle Dylan. The limbs are flat and that handle is bending hard. If you feel the limbs are getting thin, narrow them rather. Your tiller would look good now IF you had 4-5" of reflex in the limbs.
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how does she look now ???
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/86989655-FFD1-48E9-8C5F-5B8041D51D29.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/86989655-FFD1-48E9-8C5F-5B8041D51D29.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/6FC4B07E-D83A-4BA8-BAB3-94CD1D3E966E.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/6FC4B07E-D83A-4BA8-BAB3-94CD1D3E966E.jpg.html)
also pretty much all of my reflex is gone :( :-X do you think its safe to try cooking it back in again?
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w411/dylanholderman/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/58CE8B67-F162-42BF-A197-4892D7E071A1.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/dylanholderman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/58CE8B67-F162-42BF-A197-4892D7E071A1.jpg.html)
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It doesn't look to me like that handle is bending too much at all.
It didn't look like it was bending too much originally, and it still doesn't look to be bending excessively.
Personally, I think if it shoots well I would leave it alone before you tiller your way to a children's draw weight.
That's just one man's opinion.
Usually if I make it to draw length and later decide the tiller needs touch up, I do all of that touching up by side tillering, beginning with narrowing tips as much as possible. Belly tillering doesn't make much sense to me on a bow that's at draw length and doesn't show some horrendous hinge.
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Benny if the working limbs are straight at rest, straight at brace and nearly straight drawn to 28". What is bending to allow that to happen?
I think it looks much better Dylan. Does it shoot the same? Different? Worse? Better? Smoother? More quiet? Louder?
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shoots about the same, less poundage though. i think i might put it back on my reflexing form and heat treat it again when i get back from my field job at work.
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If it shoots the same at less poundage, you've made improvements. Heavy weight doesn't always equate to a fast bow. Efficient bows are fast bows.
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If it shoots the same at less poundage, you've made improvements. Heavy weight doesn't always equate to a fast bow. Efficient bows are fast bows.
thanks pearl still trying to wrap my head around that one ??? ;D
now that i'm back in town now and have shot it a bit more, i have decided ( i think ) that the hand shock is actually worse?
here is what i think is going on. after all of the reflex pulled out it left the bow with effectively 3 1/2-3 3/4in of set. could that be the cause of the handshock ??? and if so how/should i go about fixing it?
or i should i just leave well enough alone and call it a learning experience?
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Look at it this way. You've lessened the draw weight by making the limbs bend more. Even though the weight is lesser the bow shoots just as fast. That means you found efficiency.
I believe the hand shock comes from that handle area. Id leave it be and try another.
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I tried to draw straight lines, its close enough to get my drift. You can see you have just a slight bend at full draw compared to a flat limb at rest and at brace. That means the handle has to give way to allow 28" of draw.
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thanks pearl i understand the theory fine, just trying to reconcile the cave man part of my brain that says a heavier bow will throw a heavy arrow farther ::)
i'll take your advice call this one finished and try again :)
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That's one of the greatest assets of that RD design, low poundage bows can just rip arrows. Tweak your next build a bit and you'll see , ooga booga ;)
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Chris....I can really appreciate and understand your comments....But , Dylan I'd take those comments to heart.. ;) :)
DBar