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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Josh B on December 31, 2014, 01:03:30 am

Title: Texas cobble
Post by: Josh B on December 31, 2014, 01:03:30 am
I found me a little chert in Texas a couple weeks ago. This is my first stab at it.  It was a flat cobble about an inch thick and the size of my Palm.  I got this and a few flakes that should make hunting points.  Not my best work by any means, but I gotta start back at it some how.  Josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Tower on December 31, 2014, 10:35:15 am
Man I love  cornertangs.  Sweet color with a little heat that stone turns into candy!
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Trapper Rob on December 31, 2014, 08:32:41 pm
Nice cornertang.
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: mullet on December 31, 2014, 08:37:32 pm
Put a thong on the corner and use it, Josh.
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Josh B on December 31, 2014, 08:49:16 pm
Thanks fellas!  I picked up about 100 lbs. of this stuff to try it out.  It is a little tough to work.  How much heat for how long would you recommend Don?  Any advice would be appreciated.  Josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: mullet on December 31, 2014, 11:16:02 pm
What I picked up between Laredo and San Antone took about 350- 450, but be carefull not to get hotter.
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Chippintuff on January 01, 2015, 12:25:57 am
I'm not a pro at heating, but I do heat a lot of my stone. I would saw or knap that into thinner pieces before heating it. As dark as that is (rootbeer?), I would take it up to 400-425 slowly and then hold it there for at least 12 hours. Every person heat treating rock will give you a different recipe. I doubt that rock can take more than 425 F, and then it needs to be thinned into slabs or preforms before heating.

WA
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Tower on January 01, 2015, 09:11:18 pm
I can't argue w/ them recipes .  I use a turkey roaster & it's max temp works perfect.  About 450 max at least 8 hrs. You'll love it. 
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: mullet on January 01, 2015, 09:48:44 pm
I was supprised that I blew some up heating it with coral at the same time. Usually I crank coral to 450 and let it go all night.
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Chippintuff on January 01, 2015, 11:57:21 pm
Did you hold it at 200 for 12-24 hrs to be sure to get all the moisture out before you took it above boiling? Did you work it down to thin pieces by sawing or making preforms before heating? Did you ramp the heat up slowly at no more than 60 F per hour? Did you make sure the cool down was no faster than about 50 F per hour? If you fail to do any of these precautions, you can get busted rock. Back when I was learning how to heat treat I was using a ceramic kiln. I destroyed a lot of rock by violating all the above precautions. I have opened the kiln and found a pile of sand instead of knappable stone.

WA
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Josh B on January 02, 2015, 11:11:53 am
Thanks a million fellas!  I'll be sure to go slow and easy with it.  I can't tell you how tickled I am to have found this stuff.  Josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: JackCrafty on January 02, 2015, 02:00:15 pm
Cool rock.   ;)

My recipe for heat treating is in my signature.  For darker colors like yours, I don't go above 400.  Usually, 350 is good for most translucent Texas rock.  If it doesn't get slick at 350, you can re-cook it at 400.

If anyone doubts my recipes, just ask the guys who have received cooked rock from me.   :)
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Josh B on October 12, 2015, 12:45:51 pm
Finally got around to heat treating some of this stuff last month.  I slowly brought it up to 400 and let it soak for 12 hrs and then slowly brought it back down.  All in all it was a 3 day process since I was being super cautious.  The rock turned out pretty good, but my knapping skills have evaporated over the long hiatus from knapping.  I never was a good knapper, but I considered myself adequate to make huntable points.  It seems as though its gonna be a while before I get back to even that low level of skill.  This is truly a use it or lose it skill for me.  Anyway here is my first point from this rock and I believe it is also my first point of the year.  :o  It's no wonder that I'm struggling!  Thanks for looking!  Josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: le0n on October 12, 2015, 03:54:28 pm
Looks good to me 8)

I'll check back in a few days for the second point of the year ;)
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: mullet on October 12, 2015, 06:54:53 pm
Looks like a good, sticker to me, Josh.
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Josh B on October 12, 2015, 11:07:05 pm
Thanks fellas!  And thank you to everyone that lined me out on how to heat treat this stuff.   Now that I know it's decent stone I'll have to grab more of it!  Josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: iowabow on October 13, 2015, 04:03:56 am
Looks great josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Zuma on October 13, 2015, 11:53:37 am
That's a nice point Josh.
Can't wait to see more. Welcome back
to the mania. :)
Zuma
btw I have some treated Edwards spalls.
Not big stuff but hunting point worthy.
PM me with an address.
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Josh B on October 14, 2015, 10:27:17 am
Thank you kindly John!
Thank you Zuma!  That's a very generous offer Sir.  Josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: bowmo on October 15, 2015, 11:52:53 am
Looks like your gettin' back into the swing of things just fine!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Josh B on October 15, 2015, 06:46:24 pm
Thank ya kindly Sir!  Josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Josh B on December 11, 2015, 10:49:06 am
On a whim, I worked a raw flake this morning while waiting for the fog to lift up here in south Dakota.  Worked alright with a hammerstone, but my antler tine wouldn't touch it pressure flaking.  I dug out my old copper flaker and applied a lot of elbow grease to squeak out a simple serviceable point.  That stuff is tough in the raw form.  Josh
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: le0n on December 11, 2015, 01:14:14 pm
that stuff is tough in raw form.

it will give you a work out and wear down your tools at the same time.
Title: Re: Texas cobble
Post by: Knapper on December 15, 2015, 09:03:21 am
The tougher it is the longer it will last?! Nicely done.
Knapper