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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: sleek on November 13, 2014, 07:51:17 pm

Title: fire killed oak bow
Post by: sleek on November 13, 2014, 07:51:17 pm
So about 3 years ago a big fire ripped through my hunting spot. After a few months I harvested a dead standing oak tree. It was fire killed. I was excited because I had read about fire killed trees being of choice to the Native Americans back in the day.

I debarked it and saw the wood had a smoke color to the wood under the bark. I forgot about it until last konth. I got it to the point of being braced. At brace the back opened up with width wise cracks in multiple locations. I guess the heat made the wood to brittle. I dont think I will be trying that again.
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: Marc St Louis on November 13, 2014, 08:15:03 pm
I tried heat-treating a Red Oak bow many years ago when I first started with my experiments, it died in a mighty explosion.  Never tried another
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: M-P on November 13, 2014, 10:56:26 pm
My attempts at heat treating red oak have failed as well.   In this case the delay in harvesting may have allowed some decay to start?
Ron
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: sleek on November 13, 2014, 11:45:19 pm
I hope the wait didnt cause decay to start, it was stored inside, with my other bows. If decay sets in like that, how long can a bow last?
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: bradsmith2010 on November 14, 2014, 01:26:55 pm
Dont worry,, decay is not contagious  :)
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: Marc St Louis on November 14, 2014, 02:42:04 pm
Seems to me I have heard, and read, that Red Oak is somewhat rot resistant.
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: PatM on November 14, 2014, 02:56:51 pm
Was it actually Red Oak?
  The old saying about Indians favoring fire killed trees with Ash often mentioned makes me think more of Prairie fires rather than an actual forest fire.
 A fire quick enough to kill the tree without actually burning the wood itself excessively.
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: sleek on November 14, 2014, 05:07:07 pm
I should have mentioned,  its white oak. And it was a hot fire.
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: RBLusthaus on November 14, 2014, 05:20:53 pm
white oak is a favored wood in boat building due to its superior rot resistance.  Red oak is not nearly as resistant as white and as such, it not used much in wood boat construction for that reason.   I assume it is the open grain which allows the movement of water which makes the red not so good - rot resistance wise, at least. 

Russ   
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: rossfactor on November 14, 2014, 05:40:11 pm
I've heat treated the snot out of some red oak bows (years ago) and they held up fine...  I might be able to dig one up.  I don't think the draw weights were very high though like 40+ lbs.

Gabe
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: George Tsoukalas on November 14, 2014, 06:10:26 pm
sleek, it is the the few months prior to harvesting the tree that concern me.
As you know whitewoods left  out in the weather don't do well.
Just please use a rope and pulley to tiller.
Jawge
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: Knoll on November 15, 2014, 02:41:29 pm
Am building ro bow as Xmas gift & planned to heat-treat it.  Plan just changed.   :)
Title: Re: fire killed oak bow
Post by: sleek on November 15, 2014, 02:49:08 pm
Dont take it as you cant heat treat. My problem I believe is the back was subjected to more heat than the belly because of the fire. Perhaps I should have built it inside out?