Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: p@ol_9to on July 24, 2014, 04:35:18 pm
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Hi.What kind of glue would work for bonding a nylon strip to a wooden bow ?Paul :)
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Paul, Titebond glue will work for gluing nylon to a wood bow.
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...but nylon is a pretty bad choice for a backing. It'll stretch and only be decorative at the expense of slowing down the bow. Might keep a small splinter down, but that's about it.
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I would back it with silk or linen, they both excellent in protecting the back and preventing splintering.
Grady
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For very cheap and good backing you can use brown paper (just cut strips from paper bags). It works fine and you can stain it or paint on it for extra looks. Just use about 5 layers for each limb. Dampen it in water first and apply with wood glue.
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TBB talks of nylon being similar to sinew in performance. I THINK the recommendation was to prestretch it.
I'm wondering what form of nylon they used in their experiments? One could use the twine as a cable back. Or a strip of fabric glued down? I was considering trying to unravel and comb out some twine, then apply as sinew in wood glue. Or just lay the strings out.?.
They did a linen backed pine bow like that in tbb.
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The TBB talks of nylon mason's cord being similar to sinew braided cordage in properties. They also mention ripstop nylon.
Polyester is actually more similar to sinew in properties. Think of the stretch and recovery of Dacron B50.
Nylon tends to just stretch.
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I would back it with something natural so we can talk about it on this site.
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oH .. i CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT? ? :P
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No. Rule #3
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UH OH...LOOKOUT!!! Here come the forum police 8) :laugh:
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Integrity is all we have here. Let it go too far and its gone.
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Don't consider this me jumping down anyone's throat, but I couldn't help but see the similarities between nylon backing and F****glass (which is heatedly avoided here.) So, I'm with Pearly on this one.
Your question was about the glue. My advise is to use a natural backing and then use Titebond III. ;)
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If someone thinks someone else is in violation of a rule then report it to a moderator,and don't try to take it upon yourself to correct them either thru out in the open or thru pm's...this is straight from the horses mouth,and from one of the moderators on here,and was told to me a couple years ago...I was told its there job to handle such things and situations..that's what there here for...let them deal with it. Doing it this way helps keeps things "civil" around here..so let's keep it that way...not trying to be a jerk..jus saying and repeating what I was told is all :-X
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The Moderator is here now :), and I agree. This should be Around the Campfire if it's gonna continue discussing the merits of nylon.
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There are no "merits" just "properties". :P
Things certainly get blurry when we freely discuss and tout the benefits of FF and Dacron over natural fibers for bowstring and a bow really isn't a bow until you put the string on it.
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I still wonder why on earth modern glues and finishes are acceptable here.
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Because they have been allowed since the beginning of the site. You can use all natural glues if you want but we do allow a few modern synthetic materials and finishes. Actually you will probably be applauded for using all natural materials, finishes and glues. I do this stuff for fun, not to be realistic.
The rules were set up to allow as many folks to get involved in this fun and still be traditional. If everyone had to use only natural materials this site probably wouldn't be here. I am proud to be a part of a site that has turned so many folks on to the fun of wood bow building.
The earlier issues of PA magazine were pretty close to all natural materials but it's hard to survive as a magazine with a few stave sellers or folks selling sinew, hide glue or whatever. It took modern advertising to keep PA afloat and without PA we have no site.
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Because they have been allowed since the beginning of the site. You can use all natural glues if you want but we do allow a few modern synthetic materials and finishes. Actually you will probably be applauded for using all natural materials, finishes and glues. I do this stuff for fun, not to be realistic.
The rules were set up to allow as many folks to get involved in this fun and still be traditional. If everyone had to use only natural materials this site probably wouldn't be here. I am proud to be a part of a site that has turned so many folks on to the fun of wood bow building.
The earlier issues of PA magazine were pretty close to all natural materials but it's hard to survive as a magazine with a few stave sellers or folks selling sinew, hide glue or whatever. It took modern advertising to keep PA afloat and without PA we have no site.
Well said Pat B, Thank you for being a Moderator, I'm glad you are.......
Respectively,
DBar
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deer hide is my favorite backing ,,, it is light enough that it does not slow the bow down,, but it will protect the back,, and hold a splinter,, it is very strong,, and beautiful when finished,,,
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I love this site, but this guy posted a simple question on his first post. And in response his post led to a debate of what is appropriate for this site. Do I need to say anymore? P.s. to me primitive me being resourceful. Modern or not. Basically cheap.
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Renacs,
You are right. I watched and let it go all day till it got highjacked. The rules are simple. Also when you register you are asked if you have read the Rules.
And it never fails, then the debate starts about glue, boards, plastic, epoxy, and on and on. Gets really boring after you see it every 6 months. Oh, and then there is the same ones that want to question the rules to stir the pot.
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Renacs,
You are right. I watched and let it go all day till it got highjacked. The rules are simple. Also when you register you are asked if you have read the Rules.
And it never fails, then the debate starts about glue, boards, plastic, epoxy, and on and on. Gets really boring after you see it every 6 months. Oh, and then there is the same ones that want to question the rules to stir the pot.
Did you call? ;) I do have to say if you have Binghams as a advertiser, it really does send mixed messages.....doesn't it? Like all things in life, change is going to happen.....why not have a place for partial synthetic bows??? Come on guys things need to evolve. :)
VMB
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They do have a place Brian, it's around the campfire
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But I do agree that the modern stuff needs to be kept in check some. That's why I stay away from the other sites. All fiberglass stuff, but give the new guy a break and stead him in the right direction. ;)
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This thread started out good with quite a few good replies to the original post. But after no acknowledgement it went off kilter. Not the first time that's happened, either. That's why we Admins and Mods get paid the big bucks. ;D
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They do have a place Brian, it's around the campfire
I'm just giving Eddie a hard time......I know the rules. :laugh:
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Brian; you know I'll just call you up and tell you to "bite me" :).
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My apologies for bringing it up in the first place.
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Integrity can be too harsh without reasonable compromise. In my book, even brown paper is as modern as nylon. If artificial sinew is as good as the real one, I would have no problem in using it. I would love to see a bow backed with pre-stretched nylon and hide glue. Still I would try burlab before nylon.