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Title: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: JoJoDapyro on July 08, 2014, 12:25:14 pm
I noticed last night that where my handle is glued on that the dried glue has turned Red. Also, glue on the cap that had dried had also turned red. Any ideas why this would happen?
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: BOWMAN53 on July 08, 2014, 12:37:31 pm
sure it wasnt Titeblood II???? lol
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: JoJoDapyro on July 08, 2014, 12:40:47 pm
LOL, it isn't all of the glue, just patches, and it is about the color of blood. I'll get a photo tonight.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: blackhawk on July 08, 2014, 01:00:50 pm
If you can easily and clearly see your glue lines visibly with the titebond glues then you more than likely have a poor glue line,or one less than what should be desired and carried out with that kind of glue....titebond glues need a flawless glue line and mating surfaces....it is a poor "gap" filing glue,and won't hold well if not executed correctly
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: UserNameTaken on July 08, 2014, 01:44:16 pm
New and improved wild cherry flavor?  ??? Let's face it; the original didn't taste very good.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: JoJoDapyro on July 08, 2014, 02:45:12 pm
It is actually the glue that had come out during the clamping. So It is on the surface of the handle of the bow (below the glue joint). Also on the cap on the bottle itself, not as a pronounced Red, but still red.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2014, 04:22:31 pm
What wood(s) are you gluing? Could it be reacting to the wood or the wood bleeding into the glue?
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: JW_Halverson on July 08, 2014, 06:21:08 pm
New and improved wild cherry flavor?  ??? Let's face it; the original didn't taste very good.

Flavor wasn't so bad, hate the pastey texture. I will say that it sure sticks to your ribs.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: JoJoDapyro on July 08, 2014, 08:43:50 pm
Pat, that was my first thought, but It also did it on the cap of the glue, so that rules that out.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: Crogacht on July 08, 2014, 08:47:44 pm
Well I found this on the titebond website:

What are the resulting colors when the Titebond Wood Glues dry?

Titebond III Ultimate – light brown
Titebond Original – yellow
Titebond II Premium – translucent yellow
Titebond Dark – brown
Titebond Liquid Hide – transparent amber
Titebond Melamine – colorless
Titebond No-Run, No-Drip – transparent with a light brown tint
Titebond Polyurethane – yellowish amber
Titebond Translucent – colorless
Titebond Instant Bond – colorless

Maybe you have one of the amber or brown ones and it's maybe a bit more amber or brown than usual for whatever reason  ???
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: Pat B on July 08, 2014, 11:30:08 pm
Contact the Titebond tech support. They are very helpful.    I called them to find out how to make the glue release and the tech guy told me to heat it to 150 deg. and the glue would release.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: Hamish on July 09, 2014, 02:00:43 am
My guess is that the contents of the bottle have settled. Try giving it a thorough shake/mixing( really well), and see if anything changes. Pva glues have a very long shelf life, but they contents can separate if not used for a while.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: JW_Halverson on July 09, 2014, 03:26:16 am
My guess is that the contents of the bottle have settled. Try giving it a thorough shake/mixing( really well), and see if anything changes. Pva glues have a very long shelf life, but they contents can separate if not used for a while.

They also go to heck and separate if they have been frozen.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: JoJoDapyro on July 09, 2014, 09:16:20 am
Heat would be the only issue. My garage isn't insulated. I haven't had this bottle more than about a month.
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: DarkSoul on July 09, 2014, 09:42:57 am
What wood species did you glue? Any ipé you worked with? Ipé dust (the yellow powder) reacts with ammonia and turns bright red. I only work with Titebond 3, but I've never seen anything turn red with the glue...
Title: Re: Titebond II turned red when dry
Post by: JoJoDapyro on July 09, 2014, 10:23:27 am
The board is red oak, and I believe the handle is some type of cedar. I'm not entirely sure. A cabinet shop near my house puts out all of the scrap wood that is too thin for them to use, normally 1/16th to 1/8th and anywhere from 3 to 12 foot sections.