Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Rcdeer on February 25, 2014, 04:40:47 pm
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have 54" osage with knot on back of string nock any idea how I could back it? thanks! Rc
any ideas? thinkin bone..maybe?
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/rcdeer55/bow/osagetip002_zpsf01bb0c5.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/rcdeer55/media/bow/osagetip002_zpsf01bb0c5.jpg.html)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/rcdeer55/bow/osagetip006_zps749ae6bf.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/rcdeer55/media/bow/osagetip006_zps749ae6bf.jpg.html)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/rcdeer55/bow/osagetip005_zps80d4d772.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/rcdeer55/media/bow/osagetip005_zps80d4d772.jpg.html)
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Just leave it be. It doesn't bend so a backing wont do much for you.
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I like the way you think!..I've been thinkin an thinkin how to back that,but I think it'd only make it look better,,,maybe.. seems to work as is,,,mabe leavin it is good...now, on to somethin to hang on too..riser like...it's flat an not very comfortable!
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man that makes me nervous how its cut into the back and so thin thin... it might be fine and hopefully somebody will steer me straight on that, but it don't cut into the back for a string nock without overlays. if that were mine id make the knot the nock. just thin the tip past the knot and make the string loop small enough to hold onto the knot.
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Good eye Eric. That's no good at all and totally unsafe. Rasp it off on a downward angle and add an overlay. Horn, bone, antler, hard, hard wood.
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Yeah, that looks scarey!
Good eye Eric. That's no good at all and totally unsafe. Rasp it off on a downward angle and add an overlay. Horn, bone, antler, hard, hard wood.
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well, now I'm confused again.. rasp off what? the knot is on the back of the bow,,away from me,,so any backer would have to go over the knot anyway..bow is only 54" now..i'm not understanding whay I should do... do away with string nock? don't seem like notching into the knot would be a good idea,,an below knot makes bow shorter yet(no idea what that does to # an draw ) appreciate the help jus lil lost..okay..lot lost..
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You see that string groove filed in on the BACK of the bow in front of the knot? That's bad. On bows with no overlays you CANNOT cut a groove in the back, only the sides. You need to either put that bow up, or fix it. That means rasping on a downward angle until that groove is gone. Then glue an overlay material of your choice over that and reshape the tip.
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You're not looking for a "bow tip backing", but a "tip overlay". The word 'backing' is really confusing and false in this case.
Rasp that groove in the back of the bow down until you hit a flat surface/ Glue on a small tip overlay of any hard material you prefer. Make something that looks like this:
(http://orionbows.nl/Images/Gallery/Jorik/DSC02344.jpg)
And don't touch that knot too much, altough you could take it down a little bit on the back of the bow. You over-compensated a bit.
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if it were mine this is what id do. what i colored red would be gone. the yellow line is a groove cut in the sides only, although you don't even need that. the knot alone can hold the string.
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s608/echatham/osagetip006_zpsd3995515.jpg) (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/echatham/media/osagetip006_zpsd3995515.jpg.html)
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okay..I see what you're saying about the string groove in the back of the bow....that said.. I only have 3/4" from edge of knot to bow end an bow is not very thick at all..and I'm thinking if filed, and a tip overlay added, it still won't be very strong..because an overlay won't be but 3/4" long..not sure what nocking below knot would do to draw length an poundage.. but after having 4 bows break on me really don't need another experience like them.. and I didn't build this,,or the others they were all new builds,,jus luck of the draw I guess.. dang,,so enjoy shooting/hunting primitive, but this getting nuts dollar wise..maybe time to take a break...thank you guys! I certainly didn't need an osage tip in my eye! Appreciate the help!
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well that didn't work and my drawing isnt showing .. but see that dark line running at a 45 past the knot? my side groove would be just inside that, right along the knot.
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but after having 4 bows break on me really don't need another experience like them
(...) but this getting nuts dollar wise.
There is a really simple solutions to keep your bows from breaking: make them longer!
54" is about 20 inches shorter than I recommend beginners. That's right. TWENTY INCHES! A long bow is much more durable and a lot more difficult to break. Just because you found a few osage bows of 54" and 56" doesn't mean that this length is a good place to start for a beginner.
"Dollar wise"? So you spent all your money on the purchase of these osage stave(s)? There's many cheaper options! Cut the wood yourself. Or go to Lowe's / Home Depot and buy an oak board. That's a much cheaper option and can yield a (hunting weight) bow that shoots perfectly.
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well this is the shortest bow,,,all the rest were 70"-72" 3 different builders, maple or hickory, an one was a holmegaard, just happen to get ones with a bad piece of wood..some lasted a week one almost a year,,draw were all for 28"... I'm 27"+ so not overdraw not left strung not stored wrong, abused, misused or not taken care of.. and again, I'd didn't build them..I jus wanted a good bow that I could shoot at rendezvous and hunt with and I don't have much money to purchase or the patience to build..this bow, the osage, was a quick, affordable,internet purchase so I could get to a vous..jus trying to get one that'll work..
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echatham, the yellow came thru on my post.. I see what your saying.either yellow line you drew or dark line on bow jus sides if necessary...try jus knot first...?
will this effect draw or brace or poundage? thanks!
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you'll be shortening the limb, so it will make that limb stiffer, but only slightly so cause it looks like youre only shortening it a quarter inch or so. id like to see the rest of the bow
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lol I shall try,,my camera not any better than my bows an my pics aboout same as my bow building ability.. but here's a couple..its basically 54" long by 1 1/2" wide at center,,an fat back rounded belly an if you can see the curve in it...it strings opposite way,,
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/rcdeer55/osagebow002_zpsba12e332.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/rcdeer55/media/osagebow002_zpsba12e332.jpg.html)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/rcdeer55/osagebow003_zps63f2563f.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/rcdeer55/media/osagebow003_zps63f2563f.jpg.html)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/rcdeer55/osagebow006_zps2b6da226.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/rcdeer55/media/osagebow006_zps2b6da226.jpg.html)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/rcdeer55/osagebow008_zps765f6f70.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/rcdeer55/media/osagebow008_zps765f6f70.jpg.html)
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doesn't look to shabby. the other tip... is that grooved in the back as well or just the sides?
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the other end is just the sides..easy to overlay too...if I can save this thing...I'm jus not that educated on these things, not sure what happens when ya change things..
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Why do you want to overlay it?
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just the tip,the bow is pretty thin,,jus figured it'd be better?
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The first tip you showed us... Is that how you got it from the bowyer? And i guess what im wondering is is this a bow that has been shot alot.... Or is it some guy churning out bows and selling them on ebay. If it was sold as a working bow im just wondering why you'd want to go and change things.
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well...it was a ebay bow by a guy who offers often......never could see the knot in the pics. an couldn't return the bow..has less than 100 shots thru it..my friend who shoots bow lots, suggested doin overlays,,but, never seen the bow unstrung, so never seen the notched back string nock..
it actually don't shoot bad, needs a grip/riser of sorts. I have 27" draw,,,an this is 45lb draw..thought be good for deer too..now I'm jus not sure what to do..
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Tip overlays can be pretty easy just get the surface flat and glue some wood on ( try superglue) any change in draw weight or length will be minor. And I would generally recommend you don't buy wood bows off eBay many of the ones I have seen there have been accompanied by lots of language not allowed on this site on my part.
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I would just flaten the tip,knot and all and glue on an overlay,just be sure the overlay goes passed where you flaten the knot to good wood. :) Their's a hundred
way to skin a cat but that's what I would do. ;) :)
Pappy
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well..don't make a habit of buying bows of ebay,, seems many bows offered are "Vintage"..lol ... or "have no cracks or breaks" I don't have money to waste, I jus got this one because I broke one an was bowless,,an it was reasonable..
thinkin trying string at knot,,then,if that don't work,I'll try filing it down see what is knot left...an maybe put backing on ends..sure do Appreciate all your time an help! will let you know what happens..guess time to start lookin for a bow..although, I have 4 ironwood trees split in the cellar....boy,theres a plan lol
thank you!
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I see you are from upstate NY. where abouts, I have several friends from up state NY that would be glad to help you ,if you are close enough. :)
Pappy
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seems I'm at least 15 miles from anywhere,,which ain't all bad,,lol..so Cooperstown, Herkimer, Canajoharie,,all 15 away....not really near anyplace big,,also a good thing...Albany 75 Binghamton 150..Syracuse 150+...
Iknow a few gents that do bows but all long drive from me..I'm jus gonna try what we all talked about,,see where it leads..an always can convert the hornbeam to a bow,,or firewood..or kindlin..got nothin to lose there lol thanks!!