Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Ahnlaashock on October 29, 2013, 10:06:19 pm
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I am not finding anything helpful on the Modoc. I was hoping one of you knew the type used in that area by the peoples that depended on the salmon, if not the Modoc themselves.
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I've got a compilation of points in the Lassen complex covers alot if ya want it let me know, bub
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Are you in the southern oregon Northern California area?
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Here's a set labeled as "Modoc" from an auction listing. I believe the points are made from jet black obsidian.
Modoc Painted Wood Bow with four arrows
Circa 1880
Length 36 in. bow; Length of arrows 30 1/2 in. the longest
This carved yew wood bow is painted on the inner surface with a patter of triangular arrow point motifs in black against a white background and framed along the sides with a series of right triangles painted in red. The bow is complete with a sinew bowstring and is accompanied by four stone tipped arrows.
Provenance
Richard Corrow Collection, Santa Fe, New Mexico.
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Not sure about the points but the pattern on the bow is very similar to the one I put on my sons bow which is a copy of a Modoc bow. Pretty good chance this is a set.
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let me clarify something, I have a copy of a compilation of points and projectiles of the lassen complex, if anyone wants one I can send a copy (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/ishi%20book/blade008.jpg) (http://s623.photobucket.com/user/bubncheryl/media/ishi%20book/blade008.jpg.html)
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Hey, I want one! jackcrafty@yahoo.com
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I am in Missouri, just south of St. Louis. I am part Modoc myself, and that is why I was interested in their tools. The points I found online, were all obsidian, or appeared to be, but there was no unifying pattern seen that I could detect. Even the arrows posted here seem to have different style heads on each arrow.
The book listed covers that immediate area I assume. A search for the terms did not do anything useful that I could tell. Lots about geology, with a side mention of artifacts.
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sent ya something Patrick, you should like it lots of needle tip points
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Hey, Bubby, could I get a copy, too?
Eddie
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I would love a copy also, Please!
So far, the Northern Side Notch is said to be the parent form for most in the area, at least in the information I was able to find. Most I have seen are triangular. That would square with the tips seen on the arrows pretty well I think.
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sure mullet ahnlaashock i'll get ya one
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Most where obsidian, but when that wasn't at hand, chert, agate where substitutes.
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I was thinking just about like the ones in the other post here about obsidian!
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Thanks for the compilation, Bubby! The photobucket link worked.
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It was common to see different arrowheads on a set of arrows. There are variations in the same types also. The Indians were not concerned with making each arrowhead a perfect match to other arrowheads in the set.
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From what I have seen, most of them were nowhere near as concerned with how things looked, over how they functioned, as we are today.
I was considering having a friend make me a set of six points, inspired by the post where the knapper made six almost identical points, to be mounted on sassafras shafts, to go with my red oak bow.
Gonna be a while before I am able to to do so, if ever. I learned how not to try to remove a central ridge that runs from the base to the tip, yesterday. Not how to do so successfully, how not to do it. I worked until my hands are sore today, and I produced a couple of spalls with cortex that were shaped a little to hold as cutting tools.
I took a chunk of beautiful black flint, spalled the outside off, producing three to four inch spalls that ran the way I intended. It had a large hump on one side, so I tried to reduce that, exactly as I had watched it be done. When I struck the billet, it took out a piece about the size of a good sized arrow head, and left a pocket almost an inch deep where it pulled out, pretty much destroying a piece of absolutely top grade material that knaps like butter. Might make gun flints now!
Would have taken a sledge hammer to remove a piece that big from most of the material I work with, so I practiced spalling off the gray to white cortex on some petrified wood. I am not sure the strike would have even bothered the petrified wood.
Overall, I am far too heavy handed to this point for good material. I put all of the really good material up, away from me destroying it to learn! The petrified wood will make stunning points, if I ever learn how to do so successfully.
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Have you heat treated the Petrified wood at all? That would help a lot.
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No, it has not been heat treated. The one core i cleaned up is almost butter colored.
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Hey, Bubby I would like a copy as well. Thanks
Knapper
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Hey, Bubby I would like a copy as well. Thanks
Knapper
Me as well.
Thanks.
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Yes sir, Bubby, I would like a copy also, please. Thanks.
Wayne
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I'd like a copy too bub. Thx!