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Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: Dag on October 28, 2013, 08:12:38 pm

Title: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: Dag on October 28, 2013, 08:12:38 pm
Hey folks,

Just lookin' for some pointers on how to proceed with this bow.  In the video it is at a low brace height of about 4".

Boo/Ipe/Hickory 76" long.  Hoping to end up anywhere over #90@32"

Thanks for checking it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1YIdwku5_s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1YIdwku5_s)
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check
Post by: Cameroo on October 28, 2013, 08:48:26 pm
I can't see a thing wrong with that, looks like it's coming around perfectly.  I've got a similar bow ready to be tillered, just have a few other projects to finish up first.  Looking forward to seeing this one completed!
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check
Post by: Dag on October 28, 2013, 09:22:36 pm
Thanks for the feedback Cameroo!  Much appreciated.  Good luck on yours!  I have many distracting projects as well, haha.
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check
Post by: Dag on October 29, 2013, 05:21:38 pm
Well shoot.  A bit of the bamboo backing has cracked and lifted just below the center of the bow.

  How should I handle this guys?  I really would hate to scrap this piece of work because of this.  Is it as simple as supergluing back down and applying pressure?

(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/Dagonet29/Bamboolift_zpsa29a681b.jpg)
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: WillS on October 29, 2013, 05:23:48 pm
Glue! It's in the middle, and it's longitudinal.  You don't need to worry, just flood it in superglue and press it down, and carry on as if it never happened!
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: Dag on October 29, 2013, 05:26:16 pm
Sweet! That's what I was hoping to hear! Thanks WillS!
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: WillS on October 29, 2013, 05:32:12 pm
Hang on.  I've just looked again.  It's actually popped a splinter hasn't it, right near the centre line.  If it was just a single longitudinal crack you'd be alright, but I'd wait for somebody more experienced using boo as backing to offer advice! Sorry!
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: Dag on October 29, 2013, 05:35:32 pm
Alright, I'll hang off on the glue.  That splinter runs about three inches long :(
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: toomanyknots on October 29, 2013, 11:44:29 pm
My experience would be that the backing is a lost cause, for a warbow weight bow anyway. It will most likely pop back up no matter how you patch or glue it. That has been my experience at least. I would cut the backing off, just above the ipe core, and sand back down to the ipe core and glue another backing on it. That always sucks. I recommend very sparingly removing the rind next time, and don't go below a 1/32" of an inch for the backing.
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: wood_bandit99 on October 30, 2013, 11:47:26 am
i thought i would help even though ive never made a warbow. i had stuff pop splinters and what i do is fill it with superglue then i wrap sinew around it and it is soaked in glue. idk if it will work for that weight tho.
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: Del the cat on October 30, 2013, 05:13:34 pm
You can only try it and see.
I was going to suggest the out 1/3 of the limbs could bend a tad more. That would also help take some weight off that grip section.
Bear in mind laminates are not my thang... so I reserve the right to be wrong!
Del
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: Dag on October 30, 2013, 05:39:12 pm
Thanks for all the replies guys.  I think I'll go with Toomanyknots on this one.  This bow has been sitting as a stave for over 2 years now  :o  maybe the boo just dried out a bit too much, idk.

I think a hickory backing would suit this bow well.  A few questions about that, should the hickory be brought to a single growth ring?  That seems like it would be ideal.  Is it possible to use a hick backing that is not down to a single ring?  If so what should the orientation of the grain be in relation to the bow?
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: adb on October 30, 2013, 09:30:56 pm
And that's why I don't use bamboo anymore...
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: adb on November 01, 2013, 10:59:40 am
Thanks for all the replies guys.  I think I'll go with Toomanyknots on this one.  This bow has been sitting as a stave for over 2 years now  :o  maybe the boo just dried out a bit too much, idk.

I think a hickory backing would suit this bow well.  A few questions about that, should the hickory be brought to a single growth ring?  That seems like it would be ideal.  Is it possible to use a hick backing that is not down to a single ring?  If so what should the orientation of the grain be in relation to the bow?

Here's a 60# hickory backed yew. This is how I orient the grain.
Title: Re: Tri-lam tiller check (Boo Backing Problems...)
Post by: toomanyknots on November 04, 2013, 01:13:34 pm
:o  maybe the boo just dried out a bit too much, idk.

Maybe. In my opinion, (of course it is too late now though), but in the video you can tell it is working a bit too much in the middle, not enough everywhere else:

(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Untitled.png) (http://s1203.photobucket.com/user/toomany7/media/Untitled.png.html)

I would try to leave the middle stiffer (for about 6" - 8" in the center), and work everything else, than later on in tillering you can lightly scrap the middle to bring it around, that is one way. When I have removed the backing and re-glued another one, I cut it off on the bandsaw right above the core, and then use the belt sander to sand the rest down to the core I want, that way you make sure you don't cut too deep and ruin it.