Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: smoke on October 28, 2013, 06:59:12 pm
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Well . . . no excuses, I had a really nice osage stave but in chasing a ring, I very badly violated a ring before I caught on. (use proper lighting!) The trouble is, there isn't enough wood to go another ring down . . . so, if I decide to use this stave, can I do so if I back it with sinew? I think I can get a good 60 inch bow about 1.5 inches at the fades . . . but would like something in the 60# at 27 range. Thoughts? thanks all
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Smoke, you should be ok if backing it depending on what you mean by badly> I severely cut into the back of a bow with my drawknife about 1/2 or more into the ring but stopped in time so as not to cause any tear out. On that bow I used Loctite to glue the piece back down and then sanded it adding some osage dust to build it up and feathered it in smoothly to leave the gouge area slightly raised. Then I rawhide backed it just for insurance.
If you actually removed an entire ring in an area I don't know what to tell you. I've no experience with that yet.
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Where is the violation located? Center, middle of the limb or ends? Art
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I built a d bow that is 56" long 55# @ 26" and it has 5 different rings on the back. It is violated the whole way and I actually tillered it like that all the way then glued some cotton bed sheets on it. That thing is SOOOOOOOO fast!!!!!!!!!
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You still have a good chance of pulling this one out of the fire. I can send you a piece of rawhide to patch over the spot, along with a deet back sinew to make transitional wraps at either end of the patch.
If you put the patch on the blow-out and really go easy and slow on the tillering, you can probably get full draw before doing the wraps. (WARNING: I have never done a short patch on a violated growthring, consequently might be blowing smoke.)
Alternatively, if you want to play a little on the safe side, send me a private message. I might be able to hook you up with a pair of antelope rawhide strips so you can do both limbs.
-John
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I built a d bow that is 56" long 55# @ 26" and it has 5 different rings on the back. It is violated the whole way and I actually tillered it like that all the way then glued some cotton bed sheets on it. That thing is SOOOOOOOO fast!!!!!!!!!
Who would think that a bow backed with bedsheets would be fast. I guess that's what you call a "sleeper".
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They were thin. It is so fast tho. I haven't chronograped it yet but that thing SPITS arrows. It was a bow I set up to fail just to test but it was a huge success.
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They were thin. It is so fast tho. I haven't chronograped it yet but that thing SPITS arrows. It was a bow I set up to fail just to test but it was a huge success.
You should post it on here so we can see it
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As long as the transition is smooth, there shouldn't be a problem. My favorite osage bow has violations. Has over 1000 shots through it.
But if your that insecure about it. Rawhide patch that spot, or the whole bow.
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They were thin. It is so fast tho. I haven't chronograped it yet but that thing SPITS arrows. It was a bow I set up to fail just to test but it was a huge success.
You should post it on here so we can see it
I have been and am busy with hunting and school and the basketball team so I'm planning on getting caught up in the winter. That will be the first one posted I assure you ;D
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Sure..you can break "rules" in bow making sometimes and get away with it,but when ya do ya run a much higher risk of the bow breaking...and I'd rather give myself the best possible chance at success.... there's a reason why plenty of seasoned veterans and experiences guys preach a clean one non violated ring as the back of your bow....
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You say you don't have room to, but Id go down another ring and change the style accordingly. Unless the violation is at the handle or 3-4" from tips, otherwise your osage bow has a short shelf life.
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Same question as artcher1 ??? smoke where is the violation at. Wood_Bandit99 Pinecone yall are lucky guys, :-\ never had much luck with ring violations on Osage or anything else except maybe Yew if it is in the working part of the limb,and also never set one up to fail. ??? :-\
Pappy
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Coming from somebody that has bows older than us, Im buying it pappy.
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Same question as artcher1 ??? smoke where is the violation at. Wood_Bandit99 Pinecone yall are lucky guys, :-\ never had much luck with ring violations on Osage or anything else except maybe Yew if it is in the working part of the limb,and also never set one up to fail. ??? :-\
Pappy
Haha I couldn't get a growth ring on the bow because of how tiny it was so I just scraped off the polyurethane off the back and went from there. That thing was about .75" deep and 1" wide.
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I'm solidly in the "clean, pristine back" camp. As Blackhawk said, lots of things are possible with these bows we make, but a good clean back is the foundation. If that is solid, you can get away with all kinds of things, if it's not your path to a working bow is very narrow.
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Same question as artcher1 ??? smoke where is the violation at. Wood_Bandit99 Pinecone yall are lucky guys, :-\ never had much luck with ring violations on Osage or anything else except maybe Yew if it is in the working part of the limb,and also never set one up to fail. ??? :-\
Pappy
Haha I couldn't get a growth ring on the bow because of how tiny it was so I just scraped off the polyurethane off the back and went from there. That thing was about .75" deep and 1" wide.
If my eye can discern heartwood from early wood it is chaseable,and I haven't come across one I haven't been able to chase...just takes patience and some know how...but at your age it sounds like your lacking in these depts...its OK tho...I didn't either at your age ..lol :D
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Hey Smoke , it might help if you can post a pic , maybe of the whole stave and then where you violated the ring , this may help get a good answer for you .
If its good osage it doesn't take a lot to make a great bow .
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If you want to play with Osage you need to learn to chase rings, so get started now !
If there is not enough left to make a bow there probably was not enough to start with !
Make the best bow out of it you can then move on to the next one !
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you are learning and that is the first thing,there are plenty of people here to help you, BUT when you ask for help be prepared to show some pics they are worth a thousand words.with a good pic you would be suprised what might be worked out.not meant to be a lecture just advice.
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Same question as artcher1 ??? smoke where is the violation at. Wood_Bandit99 Pinecone yall are lucky guys, :-\ never had much luck with ring violations on Osage or anything else except maybe Yew if it is in the working part of the limb,and also never set one up to fail. ??? :-\
Pappy
Haha I couldn't get a growth ring on the bow because of how tiny it was so I just scraped off the polyurethane off the back and went from there. That thing was about .75" deep and 1" wide.
If my eye can discern heartwood from early wood it is chaseable,and I haven't come across one I haven't been able to chase...just takes patience and some know how...but at your age it sounds like your lacking in these depts...its OK tho...I didn't either at your age ..lol :D
lol, i guess i could have chased it but i wanted to make a 55# bow. you don thave much room if the growth rings are a little under .25" thick and it is ripped across 3-4 growth rings and it is a littl eover .75 inches thick in the smallest area and a bit under 1" in the thickest part. that was funny tho. LOL
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Thanks guys. I'll see if I can get a picture and post it. The violation is on the outer limb about the last 5 inches - in retrospect I can't believe I didn't see it. I thought I could sinew it or, as some suggested, back with rawhide.
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the photos will really help us narrow down your options to the best and most workable. Offer still stands if the rawhide is needed.
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I was given an Osage bow that had the back ring step down to the next ring about 8-9" from it's tip and it never failed. I did apply a wrap later on but it was more than shot in by then. Personally, I don't worry to much about the last 6" on the back or belly. Place a wrap there and it'll be fine I bet.............Art