Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Thesquirrelslinger on September 03, 2013, 04:59:24 pm
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yea, its stupid. i do intend to wear a full face mask. but if it works- freakin awesome!
ideas, anyone?
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Sounds like a drinking game. Have fun
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One would have to ask, why?
You can however get a nice hertzian cone by using a really low-powered BB gun by shooting it down the neck of a thick-bottomed glass bottle. Too much power and it shatters. Too little power and it just cracks or nothing happens. Perfect and you get a cone.
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You gonna put your eye out! :o Sorry couldn't help myself. ;D Bob
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You gonna put your eye out! :o Sorry couldn't help myself. ;D Bob
hence the mask ;)
I totally understand, i love that movie too.
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If you could knapp a sexy leg lamp that "frageelee" with a BB gun you will be lord of a christmas story and I will need to own it!
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I dunno, knapping with a BB gun... hmmm... that's gonna be one funny looking billet. :o Do you plan on hitting the glass with the butt end or the barrel end? >:D
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That's one of those things that you try, then tell people later about it if it works
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You're gonna shoot your eye out kid! >:D
Watch the movie Christmas Story first and then proceed with caution.
Tracy
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It will probably be one of those Ha yall watch this moments. :) Just curious,How old are you ?
Pappy
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This just bad written all over it. I don't think anything good can come from this, maybe just the dad in me but.......
Grady
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This just bad written all over it. I don't think anything good can come from this, maybe just the dad in me but.......
Grady
+1... Yeeuup...
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I think the results might be better if one was to heat up the glass and drop water on it, or dip an feather in water and touch it to the hot glass.
Who among us here couldn't say that the results of doing that would be amazing?
(PS to any children or feeble minded people reading this post: DO NOT TRY THIS or knapping with a BB gun)
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I think the results might be better if one was to heat up the glass and drop water on it, or dip an feather in water and touch it to the hot glass.
Who among us here couldn't say that the results of doing that would be amazing?
(PS to any children or feeble minded people reading this post: DO NOT TRY THIS or knapping with a BB gun)
Me. It would shatter the glass. Same would go if you did the same with hot stone. Either way, bad idea.
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Hence my PS warning Mike! I can't recall ever giving a public knapping demo when someone didn't ask me about the hot rocks and water thing. I wonder how that story ever got started? It sure spread wide and far. Guess it sounds better than the truth.
UPDATE: I found an article by a fellow named Dan Long that may answer the question of how the story of dropping cold water on hot rocks started. Dan writes, "All I knew for sure was that it wasn't done with fire and water, a theory popularized by Edgar Rice Burroughs “Tarzan”, in which he had the hero shape a stone blade by heating it and strategically applying drops of cold water to the hot rock to remove flakes (incidentally, a great way to put out an eye!)."
Tarzan - LOL! But where did Rice Burroughs come up with his idea?
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Hot rocks and water = hand grenades. No bueno.
Grady
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Sorry, but, I have to go along with Forrest Gump; "Stupid is as stupid does". :)
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Another reason why our medical costs are on the rise!!!
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Hence my PS warning Mike! I can't recall ever giving a public knapping demo when someone didn't ask me about the hot rocks and water thing. I wonder how that story ever got started? It sure spread wide and far. Guess it sounds better than the truth.
UPDATE: I found an article by a fellow named Dan Long that may answer the question of how the story of dropping cold water on hot rocks started. Dan writes, "All I knew for sure was that it wasn't done with fire and water, a theory popularized by Edgar Rice Burroughs “Tarzan”, in which he had the hero shape a stone blade by heating it and strategically applying drops of cold water to the hot rock to remove flakes (incidentally, a great way to put out an eye!)."
Tarzan - LOL! But where did Rice Burroughs come up with his idea?
I heard the story came from Ishi when he was knapping at the Worlds Fair. He got tired of answering stupid questions.
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Hence my PS warning Mike! I can't recall ever giving a public knapping demo when someone didn't ask me about the hot rocks and water thing. I wonder how that story ever got started? It sure spread wide and far. Guess it sounds better than the truth.
UPDATE: I found an article by a fellow named Dan Long that may answer the question of how the story of dropping cold water on hot rocks started. Dan writes, "All I knew for sure was that it wasn't done with fire and water, a theory popularized by Edgar Rice Burroughs “Tarzan”, in which he had the hero shape a stone blade by heating it and strategically applying drops of cold water to the hot rock to remove flakes (incidentally, a great way to put out an eye!)."
Tarzan - LOL! But where did Rice Burroughs come up with his idea?
I've read everything ever written by ERB and I don't remember that particular passage. Did he mention which of the novels it was in?
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I don't even remember where I heard it.
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I can't seem to find a reference to Rice Burroughs saying anything about Tarzan making a blade, arrowhead, ect. either. Perhaps the fellow writing that was simply mistaken or saw it in a comic book or Disney movie. I am sure the story of dropping water on rocks is old one way or another. Likely the story was an Indian joke of sorts when someone asked too many questions.
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Here is a quote from the "Biskinik" The Choctaw news paper, issue May 2013.
"Today, a widespread misconception is that Native Americans made stone arrow points by dripping cold water on hot rocks to fracture them. This technique was sometimes used to break large stones into smaller pieces, but the breaks happen too randomly to be used to make a complex implement like an arrow point. Stone arrow points were and are made through a process that is known as "flintknapping" in English. Ed
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LOL. so i didn't wind up trying it- you guys talked me out of it.
funny how dad was fine with it.
i think my dad has figured out i am not stupid enough to do something that has more than a 50% chance of seriously injuring or killing me or anything else.
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Really? Your dad didn't have a problem with that idea? :o. I'm guessing the acorn didn't fall from the tree. I am really glad you decided against this idea. All kinds of unexpected results were possible, none of em good. Josh
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Really? Your dad didn't have a problem with that idea? :o. I'm guessing the acorn didn't fall from the tree. I am really glad you decided against this idea. All kinds of unexpected results were possible, none of em good. Josh
lol that's what I was thinking Josh, bub
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Really? Your dad didn't have a problem with that idea? :o. I'm guessing the acorn didn't fall from the tree. I am really glad you decided against this idea. All kinds of unexpected results were possible, none of em good. Josh
Maybe he was looking at the extra income from Early Social Security Disability. ::) :)
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Hence my PS warning Mike! I can't recall ever giving a public knapping demo when someone didn't ask me about the hot rocks and water thing. I wonder how that story ever got started? It sure spread wide and far. Guess it sounds better than the truth.
UPDATE: I found an article by a fellow named Dan Long that may answer the question of how the story of dropping cold water on hot rocks started. Dan writes, "All I knew for sure was that it wasn't done with fire and water, a theory popularized by Edgar Rice Burroughs “Tarzan”, in which he had the hero shape a stone blade by heating it and strategically applying drops of cold water to the hot rock to remove flakes (incidentally, a great way to put out an eye!)."
Tarzan - LOL! But where did Rice Burroughs come up with his idea?
I've read everything ever written by ERB and I don't remember that particular passage. Did he mention which of the novels it was in?
Aparenrtly it was book three "The Beasts of Tarzan". Some one asked on Paleoplanet and that was the answer.
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Gun Doc, you cracked me up with the first sentence.
Yes it was The Beasts of Tarzan, I just listened to it on CD on my drive to and from work. He makes a blade.
I've heard it started in a reservation early on when some older Indian's were asked how they were made and one of them came up w/ this story. Some believe he was making a joke on YT, some believe he didn't really know and made something up. Anyway, it was probably the media who spread it across the country. Imagine that?
HAve a gooder, dp
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Really? Your dad didn't have a problem with that idea? :o. I'm guessing the acorn didn't fall from the tree. I am really glad you decided against this idea. All kinds of unexpected results were possible, none of em good. Josh
really? What on earth is the worst that will happen to me 25 feet from my small pointy target aiming a 250 fPS BB gun wearing a mask designed specifically to prevent injury to one's face or neck?
my only unexpected result is that my aim would be off and I would wind up with a broken arrowhead. Me and a friend have shot probably over 100 glass jars and bottles with bb or pellet rifles at the range- anywhere from 10-100 feet away(my friend once pulled a 125 with the pellet gun). there is already so much glass there before we asked if we could shoot bottles.
given I was never hit by either a single shard or BB...
i thought it wasnt that bad of an idea. I was more worried about breaking the arrowhead(my aim is generally crap)...
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Here's where I see the potential for trouble. First of all, I've had to shoot a rifle while wearing a gas mask. It sucks, its almost impossible to shoot accurately because the mask gets in the way of making a good cheek weld to the stock, which in turn, means you can't line up the sights with your eye. I realize that you won't be using a gas mask, but any full mask will have the same effect. What your thinking about doing would require literal pinpoint accuracy. Since you won't be able to use the sights properly, there goes the mask. The next problem would be of course the range you are considering. BB guns are far from long range precision instruments. Even the best ones are limited on range , especially one at 250 fps. Even my 30 yr old red Ryder does better than that. The next thing you know, you'll start getting closer to not only improve your accuracy, but because your weak BBgun is just bouncing BB's instead of knocking out hertzian cones. The list of potential problems goes on and on. Now, if you stay back out of range with your mask on and only use your underpowered BB gun, you'll probably only risk a efew minor red welts from ricochet BB's. And that's only if you get lucky enough to hit anything. Which I highly doubt will happen. Josh
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I just wanted to have fun. I thought a lower FPS would work better than an 800-900 FPS version. and I cannot get pinpoint accuracy, but can get almost pinpoint accuracy- i am quite used to shooting with a mask. at under 50 feet its normal for me, plus i (obviously) wear a mask and use sights with an automatic and a sniper rifle(scoped- a whole different deal) up to 150 feet.
its one of those things with a really high awesome factor.
" how did you make that?"
" shot it out with a BB gun"
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Good idea or not, there is little actual danger if done as advertised; no more than "normal" knapping so long as eye protection is used. Stop defending the idea, and try it out and report on the results. Sometimes, though not often in a situation like this, the majority can be mistaken. You'll still have to set up platforms manually and even if it works perfectly it will be a laborious and time consuming effort. The only way to settle the matter is to do it. Let us know.