Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: WillS on August 16, 2013, 11:27:55 am
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Just a quick question to anybody who shoots warbows regularly - how do you go about finding suitable land to shoot on? I don't know how different it is across the pond, but here in the UK I'm finding it so difficult to get permission to use a warbow anywhere.
I'm part of the EWBS society (just recently) and will be going along to the Society shoots of course, but there aren't that many and they're all a long way from where I live (South Coast UK) so if anybody has any tips on how to approach land owners etc to get practice in between official shoots, that would be very appreciated!
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Pretty easy here in the Colonies. Lots of empty farmland. I try and pick cut hay fields to avoid losing arrows, and the farmers I ask just laugh and say go ahead. If the land isn't fenced or posted, it's legal to access (including hunting) on foot. It's also easier to ask forgiveness, than to seek permission. 8)
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I'm in the wrong country! The farmers I've asked so far have asked for insurance, paperwork, informed me that "Health And Safety Officers" will have to inspect the equipment for potential hazards and that I can't shoot in their fields in case an arrow gets caught in some cutting machinery and creates an expensive accident...
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Good grief. Things have gone to hell in a hand basket over there in the UK! You're not shooting a 50BMG sniper rifle for Chrise sakes! Maybe if you shot safely and the guy watched you, he might feel better. Insurance? For What? And isn't your equipment shot at your own risk? Sounds very 'Nanny State' attitude to me. That's too bad.
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Couldn't agree more! It's a total nightmare. Closest I've got so far is having to join a local target archery club, but even then the conditions would be to shoot 6 arrows, then wait for them to do their rounds of targets before walking up and collecting the arrows.
Have to keep plugging away at farmers I suppose!
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Any rural family?
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Sadly no, at least not anywhere near enough to be of use. I do have family in Canada though...
The trouble I'm finding here is that in order to get somebody who owns land even remotely interested, you have to pile on the "historical interest" stuff so that it appears to be of benefit to "the community" as compared to letting somebody spend a couple hours chucking some arrows down an empty field.
One farmer I contacted a good while back actually decided to get in touch with the local council because he was worried I might succeed, and the "Head Officer For Parks And Open Spaces" contacted me telling me to stop asking land owners to let me partake in a dangerous activity without proper consultancy from local authorities!!
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Good grief. We just head out to an empty hay field and have at it. Anybody that sees us just beeps and waves.
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I feel bad for you here in the US it's rare to ever get a no if I ask if I can go back into someone woods near there house to harvest wood or shoot I've never been turned down
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As I understand it, it is quite proper and traditional to hop over the channel and shoot in France. >:D
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Yeah it's Ok for you guys in the huge North American continent.
You have to remember that the Uk is only the size of Centra Park ;)
In the Uk I think you'd be relatively ok on farmland once the corn (that's wheat to you colonials O:) ) has been cut, especially if there is a public right of way. Or on common land.
Of course you need to watch out for people, dogs, sufficent overshoot etc.
To satisfy the legal question of sufficient reason to be there you can show your EWBS or NFAS memebership etc and say you are testing a bow... look officer I've only brought 3 arrows O:)
On the rare occasions I do it, I generally take very few arrows and immediately unbrace and pack up if I see people. I suspect the average policeman would be interested rather than stroppy as long as you approach him in a friendly manner. I find that approaching someone can often defuse the potential confontation.
If you think shooting is tough, try persuading some old biddy that you want a limb off her Yew tree and you are not either a con man or a mad chainsaw weilding psychopath >:(
Del
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If you think shooting is tough, try persuading some old biddy that you want a limb off her Yew tree and you are not a con man, just a mad chainsaw weilding psychopath >:(
Del
Sorry about taking the liberty of editing your post without permission, but I only changed one word to make your statement more clear. *wicked grin*
Out here in the West, we have some great opportunities, what with the large tracts of public land. For example, the Black Hills National Forest is close to 1.3 million acres of public access. And there is twice that much land tied up in National Grasslands. So long as you are not dropping pointy feathered sticks into a herd of cattle grazing under temporary grazing permits, it's all good!
WillS, ever consider combining practicing your long range archery with a trip to South Dakota and a pronghorn antelope hunt all in one? I know this guy....
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That sounds ace. I'll be there in 10 mins.
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I just had a visit from a farmer who wants me to make hime a bow... he has plenty of room to shoot, unfortunately it's a bit far for you. Just North of Cambridge. Maybe we could have a shooting day there sometime tho'
Del
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Hey Del, give me a shout on this if your buddy wants to line something up for a days shooting, be happy to join the pair of you and share driving/arrow caddy duties ;) JayTee
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Might have to pop up to Oxford to see my old folks soon, so will find out when and let Del know. Would suit a trip to Cambridge nicely. Might even row ;)
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And that is why everyone here in the US is so adamant about our freedoms and gun laws and such. There is a lot more wooded areas here where I'm from than JWs area but I can think of dozens of places I could go fling some arrows into the air if I was into that kinda thing. Biggest problem here is a lot of our ground is rocky. It doesn't hurt that my dad is a farmer ;).
God Bless the USA!!
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Hey Del, give me a shout on this if your buddy wants to line something up for a days shooting, be happy to join the pair of you and share driving/arrow caddy duties ;) JayTee
Hi there JT.
Yeah, I'm thinking long term (next year) we could get some of the guys over there, make a day of it once I've made you that 120# warbow. Maybe I'll make myself something with a 32" draw, got some skiny Yew poles with thin sapwood that might make something special.
All of a sudden I've got 3 bows on the go! I've taken a bit more of your one, but I'm not going to rush it... boken too makny this year ;)
Del
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Hi Del, Sorry to hear you're having troubles with the authorities :( , I swear its getting worse over here.
I did have an idea for getting hold of Yew that might work.
Have you tried contacting the local churches and find out who they get to do their tree pruning ?
Chances are that there are a few guys that do all the churches local, get hold of them , and with the promise
of beer/cigs or money (as a last resort ) might be able to get you some yew.
Just a thought .
Good luck
Roger
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Hi Del, Sorry to hear you're having troubles with the authorities :( , I swear its getting worse over here.
I did have an idea for getting hold of Yew that might work.
Have you tried contacting the local churches and find out who they get to do their tree pruning ?
Chances are that there are a few guys that do all the churches local, get hold of them , and with the promise
of beer/cigs or money (as a last resort ) might be able to get you some yew.
Just a thought .
Good luck
Roger
Hi, cheers, I've built up some good contacts for Yew. The problem is often getting peole to even listen. On the other hand some people love the idea of a longbow made from their tree.... It's a bit like asking girls for a date, you need a thick skin, and just keep on askin' ;)
Del
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Forgot about this thread until just now. Funnily enough, after all the difficulties trying to do it properly, I ended up going to a farm just down the road and the farmer had no issues at all. So now I have a 300 yard field to chuck arrows down anytime I want. Bootiful.
On the subject of sourcing yew here in the UK, I've found the best way to go about it is find people who sell wood-turning materials. Yew is used very often due to it's colour and sap/heart boundary and if you ask them if they have any bigger bits they haven't yet chopped up they tend to say yes. It's also a very good idea never to mention how hard it is to find. I learned that the hard way, and had to pay too much for some yew logs. Handled carefully, you can either pick them up for free or a fiver if you're friendly enough.
Never had much luck with churchyard yew. It grows very crooked and quite often now the yew trees found in churches are fast-grown landscape yew which is pretty rubbish quality, especially if you're building warbows.
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So this means you aren't popping over to France? They will be glad to hear that.
Congratulations on your new place to shoot. Like any fine motor skill, archery is something you just have to practice regularly to improve. Glad it worked out for you!
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One farmer I contacted a good while back actually decided to get in touch with the local council because he was worried I might succeed, and the "Head Officer For Parks And Open Spaces" contacted me telling me to stop asking land owners to let me partake in a dangerous activity without proper consultancy from local authorities!!
What a muppet. That farmer needs a hobby, maybe bow making.
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you should have come to the shoot last week m8
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Would have done, but I just couldn't get across to Kent by the Saturday morning. Will be at the next one though!
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ok br0, i added you on facebook btw