Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: JackCrafty on May 25, 2013, 08:28:34 pm
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Been trying my hand at making Cody complex types like Eden and Scottsbluff. Subtle details need to be incorporated into the points to make them look right...and the flaking on some of the real ones...wow. Some say Clovis is a more advanced technology than these but I disagree. The Cody complex people really knew their stuff.
The lightest color point is a bit exaggerated so that I could get a handle on the flaking technique and overall form.
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Nice points
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Those look authentic Patrick.
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Thanks guys. :)
Here's a few pictures of a real Scottsbluff from another forum (arrowheadology). As you can see, the real one is more refined (more carefully flaked) than mine. But I'm working on it!
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/securedownload334scotty_zps0d5ff755.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/securedownload334scotty_zps0d5ff755.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/BLASCOTTS_zps973380e5.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/BLASCOTTS_zps973380e5.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/LASCOTTY_zps03956bb8.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/LASCOTTY_zps03956bb8.jpg.html)
source: ---http://www.arrowheadology.com/forums/arrowheads-indian-artifacts/39899-cody-pictures-practice.html
And Here's some photos of a cast I have of one of the finest real Eden points ever found. (The tip is broken on the real one, unfortunately, and this shows up on the cast too)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0167_zpse87d80cb.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0167_zpse87d80cb.jpg.html)
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(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0162_zps21c7700c.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0162_zps21c7700c.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0165_zps8dcb4403.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0165_zps8dcb4403.jpg.html)
IMO, the final pass of flakes on the Scottsbluff was made with indirect percussion but the Eden was most likely done with pressure.
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One of the common characteristics of Cody complex points is the diamond-shaped cross section with a median ridge. This is very hard to imitate because you have to make sure the flakes don't travel too far... almost the opposite of what comes naturally. :o
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(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0160_zps119e9d9f.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0160_zps119e9d9f.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0257_zpse3808894.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0257_zpse3808894.jpg.html)
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(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0255_zps4cdf7185.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0255_zps4cdf7185.jpg.html)
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I like that style of point for hunting arrows, just on a smaller scale. They seem to me to penetrate real good and hold up to abuse.
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Yeah, the "fat" cross section makes these points tougher than Clovis, IMO.
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Yep when I was working on regular pattern flaking that preform has to be reall good and uniform or the pattern wont run. Patrich can you discribe your approach to the final passes. I mean like the serpent pattern are you using a hook platform for example.
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The final pass is flaked from a straight, heavily abraded, continuous platform that is exactly at the centerline of the workpiece.
The flakes are spaced apart at a regular interval as you flake down the edge... let's say 1/4". Then the workpiece is flipped over and the flakes are removed using the remaining bits of platform that exist between the previously removed flakes on the other side. Again, at 1/4" intervals. You are always removing flakes from the exact centerline... not above or below the centerline.
On the real points I've seen, retouching to remove the remaining bits of platform is not always done.
The more skillful you become at this technique, the sharper your edges will be after the final pass. At first, you will have bits of of the continuous platform remaining. As you get better, you will be able to remove more and more of this platform and you won't have to go back and retouch the edge.
If you look at the cast of the Eden point, you can see remaining bits of the continuous platform.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0167copy_zpsd1e95ac0.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0167copy_zpsd1e95ac0.jpg.html)
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How sharp are they with the remaining bits of the abraded platform? I am getting hung up on attempting to make razor sharp points lately and am wondering about technique. They look really sharp- almost serrated.
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They are not all that sharp, actually, when there are bits of platform left. They cut a lot better when retouched... but then the edge looks funny.
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I really like those Patrick. Btw... Darla says thankyou for the point you sent with me at the Classic :)
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You're welcome Brian. :D
PaPoints, if you want a razor sharp edge, it's hard to beat a well knapped bevel.
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On shapness I would put my money on a well done paleo flaked point. However it is four times as hard to do and learn.
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those are sum nice nice points.
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Those are some mighty fine looking points.
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Thanks guys. :)
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Did you do these with your indirect stile or direct and indirect? Keeping that centerline is a art in itself that's for sure.Real nce job
Roger
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I used mostly indirect on these. About 80%.
Very little direct percussion to rough out the initial biface. Then lots of flake removals with a small indirect tool... so I wouldn't take too much off when thinning.
Then pressure retouch to clean up the edge just before the final pass followed by lots of grinding and more retouching and more grinding until the edge is just about as perfect as I can get it.
Then very careful indirect for the final pass.
Easy peazy. ::)
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Boy Howdy there's nothin ' to it.
Now you have me lookin for some texas rock,just so happens someone sent me some ;)
Bone pile
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Couple more I did over the weekend. :)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0162_zps5d9d90d6.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0162_zps5d9d90d6.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0160_zps093c3ffc.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0160_zps093c3ffc.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0158_zps640cfc6a.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0158_zps640cfc6a.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0157_zpseea9819e.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0157_zpseea9819e.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0155_zps4cdccd86.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0155_zps4cdccd86.jpg.html)
And a couple pictures of a cast of a mammoth bone atlatl point (next to Eden point for size comparison).
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0170_zps8eb48212.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0170_zps8eb48212.jpg.html)
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