Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: toomanyknots on March 01, 2013, 09:35:59 pm
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...and that is as far as I can pull it on the scale so far, :). Hickory backed hickory, 74 3/4" ntn, 1 1/4" wide and 1 1/16" deep at the handle.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1426.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1429.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1432.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1437.jpg)
Low brace:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1613.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1608.jpg)
Drawn about 20" at low brace, pulling 80# here. It has went down a smudge in weight since then:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1614.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1617.jpg)
Full brace:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1626.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1628.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Snapshot13-1-20136-58PM.png)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Snapshot23-1-20136-58PM.png)
This is about 31" to 32" draw approximately, I use my belt buckle as a guide, as my belt buckle is about 31 1/2" to 32" from the floor:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Snapshot33-1-20136-58PM.png)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Snapshot3A.png)
This is the linen string I am using on this bow, 9 strands of 70# breaking strength linen, twisted in a 3 ply:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/DSCN1619.jpg)
In my opinion, the left limb might be bending a little bit too much midlimb in one spot, and needs to bend a little more at the tip. It is pretty close I think though.
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Here is a link to the video that I took the fulldraw photo from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbNc9A3ugYQ
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8) Another good one. "Great Scott" look at that tiller ;D Looking good; looking real goooooood.
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8) Another good one. "Great Scott" look at that tiller ;D Looking good; looking real goooooood.
Thank ya, i'll try to get a better fulldraw soon, I know there is alot of wood in the way of the other limb so you can't get a good look at the tiller.
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I think I am about done tillering this bow. The handle could come around just a bit, but I am thinking it might be smarter to leave it a bit stiff with a big heavy dense hickory bow anyway, thinking about handshock and all. I got some nocks on it and have been debating tillering symetrical, or slightly stiff on the bottom limb, but I am just never am happy with a longbow that is asymmetrical. The top limb still has a spot that is working a tiny bit too much I think, but it is real close. The last time I have weighed it, it was pulling 95# or so @ 27"/28". I am thinking it has come down a bit though during tillering. It still only has just over an inch string follow, and that is after being pretty brutal with it, letting it sit at full draw on my static tiller tree (one with the notches), pulling it a good deal past 32", and all before reducing it in weight further. So I would think a wood that is rumored to be quite weak in compression, after being abused so much without being treated, would have more string follow by now. Here are a couple better tiller pictures:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/tiller17.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/tiller17archcompare.jpg)
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Here is the video I took those tiller pictures from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuzFSdd5_5E&feature=youtu.be
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definitely a sweet bow! for hickory being the belly it sure did take well to the compression.
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definitely a sweet bow! for hickory being the belly it sure did take well to the compression.
Yes, I will definitely be using hickory in the future, never made a longbow out of it as I heard it sucks in compression, as everyone else has. Turns out I have been making perfectly fine bows out of woods wayyy less compression strong than hickory! :o
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That looks great! I've only made selfbows up to this point and this is probably a stupid question, but what's the benefit of gluing two pieces of the same wood together as opposed to using two different types?
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That looks great! I've only made selfbows up to this point and this is probably a stupid question, but what's the benefit of gluing two pieces of the same wood together as opposed to using two different types?
The backing was straight grain rift sawn, to keep the bow from failing in tension. The other was a plainsawn piece. With lumber bows, you have to have either a straight grain rift or quarter sawn with little to no run outs, or a single ring (like a selfbow). Plainsawn will not work unless you chase a ring (like a selfbow). I would recommend checking this these sites out:
http://www.alanesq.com/longbow.htm (longbow/warbow making guide: http://www.alanesq.com/bsb.htm)
http://poorfolkbows.com/
Thank you guys by the way!
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Ahhh... Got it now. Thanks!
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Ahhh... Got it now. Thanks!
No problem, :).
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definitely a sweet bow! for hickory being the belly it sure did take well to the compression.
Yes, I will definitely be using hickory in the future, never made a longbow out of it as I heard it sucks in compression, as everyone else has. Turns out I have been making perfectly fine bows out of woods wayyy less compression strong than hickory! :o
I'm guessing that whole thing got started because hickory is so often judged alongside top tier woods like Osage who have great tensile properties. Against those top tier species it doesn't look so great, but if you open up the floor a bit, it still stands out as a great wood.
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how do i go about picking up one of your bows??
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knots, bow looks very good - maybe a little more on the left. If you work a little in green stalk handle will still remain hard and reduce the impact to the handshok.
(http://prikachi.com/images/638/6002638y.jpg)
George
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knots, bow looks very good - maybe a little more on the left. If you work a little in green stalk handle will still remain hard and reduce the impact to the handshok.
(http://prikachi.com/images/638/6002638y.jpg)
George
Thank you George, and thank you for the advice. I am actually about done with this bow at the moment, I just need to sand burnish and wax it real quick. I have just been a bit busy lately (in other words, lazy, :) ).
how do i go about picking up one of your bows??
Haha, I am going to take that as a compliment, ;).
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I finished this bow up a little bit ago and thought I would post a couple more pictures. It came out at about 125# or so at 32". Regarding most peoples opinion on hickory as a belly wood, I only ended up with 1 1/8" inch set on each limb, which for a heavier weight bow I am very happy. And this bow was not heat treated. I am convinced hickory will take the compression forces of a medium heavy weight warbow with no problems. I did not baby this bow during tillering in the least, and it sat static on my wooden notch tiller tree many times, which IMO is one of the most set inducing things you can do to a poor innocent bow during tillering. There is no fulldraw picture, as I am a wuss and can't draw anything over 100# or so at 32" anymore, :D. Tiller is basically the same as the previous full draw pictures though.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/DSCN1730.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/DSCN1733.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/DSCN1735.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/4.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/DSCN1748.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/DSCN1742.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/DSCN1740.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/1.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%201/Hickory%20Backed%20Hickory%20Warbow%20FINISHED%20PICS/2.jpg)
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Very nice! Love the nocks. Nice smooth transition to the limb. I'd love to see a full draw. Stand on the string and pull! I don't have much good to say about hickory as belly wood, but you did awesome. Brace pic looks good. Did you chase a ring on the backing material, or is it 1/4 sawn wood?
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Very nice! Love the nocks. Nice smooth transition to the limb. I'd love to see a full draw. Stand on the string and pull! I don't have much good to say about hickory as belly wood, but you did awesome. Brace pic looks good. Did you chase a ring on the backing material, or is it 1/4 sawn wood?
Thank you adb! ;D There are a couple fulldraws if you go to the first page of this thread, I believe. The backing was a 1/8" slice of straight grain rift sawn. I might be able to get my wife to take another fulldraw pic while I step on the string and pull, but the tiller is basically the same. Lately I have been using the video recorder on my camera to take a video, and then go into windows media player and take a screen cap of it when the video is paused, and that seems to work ok.
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Awesome looking bow there toomany. Those horn nocks are stunning.
Jon
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Awesome looking bow there toomany. Those horn nocks are stunning.
Jon
Thank ya!
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Knots, that's a fine looking elb, and very impressive weight!
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Knots, that's a fine looking elb, and very impressive weight!
Thank ya! :)
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hey awsome bow! i made a hickory longbow but the back was D shaped and the belly was flat. i might try it the other way around with a backing. do you by any chance live in the UK? SS
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Man that's pretty. I can't get over how smooth the nock transition is. What's the bow finished with? You mentioned wax I think, but it looks almost too shiny for a just wax finish?
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hey awsome bow! i made a hickory longbow but the back was D shaped and the belly was flat. i might try it the other way around with a backing. do you by any chance live in the UK? SS
Thank you! I'm in ohio, in the US. I think I have read that a crowned back and a flat belly is a great cross section for hickory actually.
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Man that's pretty. I can't get over how smooth the nock transition is. What's the bow finished with? You mentioned wax I think, but it looks almost too shiny for a just wax finish?
Thank you Will! Yes, it is just beeswax. If it wasn't so sunny when I took these pictures, you would probably be able to see the finish better, but because of the sun, it makes it look like it doesn't have a finish in some pictures.
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hey awsome bow! i made a hickory longbow but the back was D shaped and the belly was flat. i might try it the other way around with a backing. do you by any chance live in the UK? SS
Thank you! I'm in ohio, in the US. I think I have read that a crowned back and a flat belly is a great cross section for hickory actually.
yes the reason i made it like that is because i heard hickory is good in tension. SS
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how do i go about picking up one of your bows??
+1
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how do i go about picking up one of your bows??
+1
Hey squirrel, I'll send you a private message...
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Hey TMK would you be intrested in a bow trade? SS
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Hey TMK would you be intrested in a bow trade? SS
Maybe, I am in the process of trying to get my bandsaw up and going and all that jazz right now, which should be up and going soon as grizzly sends me some new parts for my tensioner. Probably next week. I did send you a reply to your pm by the way.