Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: osagejack on March 01, 2013, 07:11:04 pm
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any body on here shoot all primitive bow and arrows,,i mean everything primitive,,any body want to meet up at tn classic and shoot a round with 100 percent all natural bows and arrows,, all natural native type bows , strings, arrows,, I have a easten woodland set I really like to shoot,,to me the all natural string is the weak point,,,
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surley somebody out there is up for some all natural shooting,, I am working on a water proof string for the classic :laugh:
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OK, you forced me into it. I'll bring mine. :)
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sounds good,, that's one of the reasons I first got in to primitive archery,, eastern woodland bows and rawhide string,, I bet ur bows are short and fast,, mike are long and slow :laugh:
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The lighter the arrow, the faster my bows shoot. That's my secret. Don't tell anyone. ;)
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Everything but the string,can I go play early in the week. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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Does the set have to have been made with primitive tools, or no steel?
I may be in if you count a linen string. Gotta ask, are you shooting arrows with field points or have you just fire hardened a wood point, whatcha got?
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I'm interested in this discussion. Can we define some areas though? Like points, glues, finishes?
Scott
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If there are no objections, here are the rules:
Tools and Materials: you can make the set with any tools you want and you can get the materials anywhere you can (hardware store boards, dowels, etc. are OK)
Glues: hide glue, fish glue, bone glue, and/or pitch glue.
Finishes: pure linseed oil, pure tung oil, pure animal fat, PatB pine varnish, pure beeswax, pure canauba wax, pure lanolin, and/or pure shellac.
Strings: rawhide, sinew, pure flax (linen), sisal/agave, dogbane, milkweed, cotton, silk, thistle, or any other natural fibers. No man-made fibers of any type. Machine made threads, twines, or cords are OK as long as the fibers are natural.
Arrowheads: wood, bone, stone, obsidian, antler, ivory, gar scales, or shell. No glass or metal.
Paints: must be all natural including the pigments. Paints can have oil, pitch, hide glue, protein, or wax binders. Egg paint is OK. Milk paint is OK. You can purchase the paints from a retailer as long as the ingredients are all natural.
Quivers: brain tan, chamois, oil-tan, bark tan, or rawhide. No chrome tan. Basket, tree bark, wood, or woven natural fiber quivers are OK too.
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I think thoses rules look,, I will make a bow just for this,, I always thought it was cool to hunt the same woods with bows and arrows that the native people used,, I am going to make some new strings,,i use squrriel hide,, have heard ground hog makes good ones but never tried,,
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Looks fun to me.
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I added more options to the quiver rule to include basket weave and other non-leather materials.
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I got a bow and string already made up, but I'm wondering about arrow points. Won't there be some issues with points getting stuck in targets? Or will we be stump shooting?
Also, my kit won't be a replica of any certain tribe, so let me know if that's an issue.
Scott
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The kit can be ANY design, so that's not an issue.
If points get stuck in a target that means you didn't try them at home first. Make the points narrow, without barbs and you should be fine. I don't think we will be stump shooting. ?
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Hmm, this sounds like fun! Like Pappy, I'll have to work on a string. Never did one. Guess there's no better time to find out how. :)
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yea the strings are difficult but can be very effective linen strings are not hard to find hemp is also a good natural string
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havent made a natural string...yet. also heard ground hog is good but heard to use the gut?
anyone ground hog hunting this spring? would sure like to get my paws on a groundhog gut for string making.
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Here's a few vids on natural bowstrings from me and Shinbone5000.
Deer sinew string:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmZibFv1Si8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPmv1IuvqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtAw1z12dDc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dxWVv3Eos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06eaHFQGkiM
Shinbone5000 vids:
---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg-nHeTQN04
---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hiLGlznVlo
---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In1S80gF8X0
---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZPuc0GlAY
---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1N0XYdyOBQ
---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQI019pGvvY
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yes groundhog makes a great string,,i tried gut several years a go didn't do to well,, I prefer squrriel or real thin deer skin
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Jackcrafty, Thanks for posting the vids! They were excellent and have me motivated.
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I'll shoot. Got to work on a string. Already have all natural arrows and self-bow. Arrows are river cane with fire-hardened dogwood shoot and two-feather eastern woodland fletch. Hopefully, I'll have another bow by the classic.
Gary
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You're welcome, Matt. :)
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Alright, here's what I came up with so far. Osage bow, natural cordage string, and cane 2 fletch arrows with antler points. Still need to make a quiver of some kind.
After shooting the arrows I realize they are plenty noisy. I spoke with Gun doc and he said I could crop them a bit and/or turn the fletch so the under side is out. Other than the fluflu effect I'm very pleased with this kit.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/6C463D6C-1FFF-457A-81B3-C651E62F9F16-700-0000013B1E0D9C67_zps50125933.jpg)
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(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/063F0E75-A79C-4D5E-8A03-3C01A6400A9B-700-0000013B121EEC6A_zps6d47baff.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/0FD2F056-8D4E-4435-8E71-4B6E906423F7-700-0000012F14BA2D58_zps3d93a27c.jpg)
Any critique?!?
Scott
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Love the arrowhead. Perfect for target shooting.
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that looks great great arrows,,soon as I figure out how I will post some pics,,been away from computer a couple years,,and I have been cutting osage every day,,
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scott-thats some fine looking abo gear.
what material did ya make the string from?
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I have flax stalks that I rough process to make linen Flemish strings. I would prefer using nettle, but the weather hasn't cooperated for a couple years and I haven't collected any of my primo creek bottom "itch weed". The linen is fine as a substitute. ::)
Here's the link to the build along.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,35214.0.html
Scott
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Guys, If anyone need it, I can make rawhide bowstrings, cow rawhide.
I do love having friends.... i need to know- Length of string, strength of bow, etc.
They are not served.. but I can serve them.
Rawhide makes a durable string, but they are a bit thick.
I tried a rawhide string on my fiberglass recurve, just to prove they work... 50 pounds draw. Works great, minus 1 thing- it streches a bit much.
However, KEEP THEM DRY!!!!!!!
-Squirrel
Also, it takes a while...
I am young and am in an AP class. Lotsa schoolwork, but I make time.
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I have been cutting osage last two weeks and getting behind on my arrows
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I also like sisal for strings, but pulling the 2 foot long fibers from cordage is hard to do. but it makes very, very strong strings with NO strech.
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This sounds like a great motivation to do my first fully natural/primitive bow and arrow. Not sure if I'll get it done prior to the classic but I'll try. The glue and points will be new to me. I'll get to work on a bow and arrow while I read up on glue. I'd like to try to do it from material I gather up here in the Pittsburgh area as much as possible. Thanks for the challenge! :)
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I have been working on my set today,, if you need any help just ask,,i will b at classic on Monday if you get there early and need help,,this is what got me into primitive archery,,to kill a deer in the woods the native americans walked with the same equipment they carried many moons ago,,i hope some more people will take up this challenge,,i will start to post pic of my set tomorrow
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Thanks osagejack! That is a goal of mine as well. How incredible that experience must be... I'll do some leg work first but I'll probably take you up on that offer. I'll arrive at the classic Thursday night. See yinz there!
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here is photo of my bow almost done got to get to work on string and arrows,,going to work on arrows after church this eve,
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lets see everyone elses photos
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Here's the set I'm bringing to the classic:
Osage Bow, 50" NtoN, 43# @ 24" Hemp string (I'm going to make a sinew string for this time permitting)
Osage Arrows 25" long, 430 grains each, pheasant wing fletching, blunt tips
Chamois leather quiver and bow case.
Inspired by Osage Indian designs. :)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0062_zpse2195293.jpg)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0063_zps6024b306.jpg)
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(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0073_zpsfe32a1de.jpg)
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very cool pics,,trying to work on arrows this eve will post pics
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That is one sexy bow Patrick, a dream design if I must say. Awesome set.
Jon
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Bow is looking good Osagejack!
Patrick, really fantastic looking set! Wow! Is there anything holding the structure in place in the quiver or is it all leather?
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Rob, there is no support structure inside the quiver. It's all soft leather held together by leather lacing.
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Where is this event being held, sounds like fun, im getting into the trad stuff , a friend made me a redoak mollie , it shoots awesome, just made a cowhide quiver to match my cowhide grip. Wont make this year, but maybe next year.
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N W of Nashville TN. about 30 miles off I24W. You guys are looking good,very nice set up Patrick,can't wait to see that live and up close. :)
Pappy
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Patrick: That is a really cool setup. I'm very jealous.
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Thanks, Matt. Now I just got to get good at shooting.... :-\