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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: autologus on February 15, 2013, 10:32:22 am
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Ok folks, you have 6 weeks left till the deadline. Please use this post as the official shipped and received thread. Be sure to post lots of pictures I know everyone would love to see what can be made from a $6 board.
Grady
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Makin a string for my trade bow now. Will post some more pics in a little bit.
Tattoo Dave
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Mine is roughed out, it will be bumped to the top of the list in another couple weeks:P
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Mine is layout ready to be tillered. I got one more project to complete, then it will have my full attention.
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I have broken 4 so far but I have been experimenting apparently well beyond the capabilities of myself and/or red oak. This next one shall be a bit more conservative.
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Had to build a hot box this weekend for my project. Apparently Unibond 800 doesn't like to set properly below 70 degrees.
The hot box turned out to be a bit more of a project and expense than I'd expected. So far, I haven't lost any of the work I've done on my limbs for the bow, ...just been delayed a bit!
OneBow
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if i can shoot in my current build and all seems fine i may send it. I went from board to tillered last saturday. Now need some arrows to shoot it in. I need to shoot it around 400+ times until im satisfied that everything is rock solid. if not then i will make a new one. but well see.
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My trade bow is done! Now if I could just get my pictures to post! Otherwise it came out really nice. As soon as I get my next paycheck on March 2nd I am sending it out. I hope the recipient will enjoy it. I'll get pics up soon if I can.
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Well I miss cut my board. The bow will only make it to 30#. Back on the search for another board. grrr Well, it will make a nice kid's bow one day or I'll back with ash or maple when I find ash or maple boards.
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I made three bows...two broke and one made the cut. It has some set but I shot it a ton and throws an arrow right where I was looking. Figured I rather have some set and have it shoot where I am pointing then to have a fast crappy shooting bow.
Should be at someones house on Saturday.
Hope the new owner is happy with it. I always have doubts when its not for me and since this is my first board bow I hope they are pleased.
Post pictures when ya get it.
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Shooting in bow #4. Draws nice with no stack and hits where I'm looking. Tried it out on the Chono today . The bow is 50# @ 28" .I only draw to 26" so you are around 44 lbs or so@26". I'm getting an average of about 158fps with an arrow of 450 grains. My Damon Howat 65# recurve with Fg and maple limbs gets about 165-170 with the same arrow/ draw. I like it! couple hundred more shots and a little lipstick and it's on it's way.
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Lostarrow, seems like you have nice bow there. Good job.
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Yeah, it's not too bad .I hope "?" likes it!
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Ok, so i just came in from my garage. Ive been working on attempt number 2. I have put in about 3.5" of reflex and heat treated the belly.(took near 2 hrs lol) anyway. its a molle 2" wide and a 40/60 limb lever ratio. I will leave it in the garage over night to cool and take the new reflex. tomorrow i hope to start tillering ;D
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Almost there ! over 200 arrows through ,and shoots great! Now for the finishing touches!
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Beautiful work LostArrow! I really like your Nock design. Did you happen to take any pix of how you carved that?
OneBow
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I'll post some more as things progress. Working on the handle wrap and strike plate as we speak.
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lostarrow that bow is sweeeet...i have got to build me one of these....gut
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Ok. so heres my progress on the bow. It has about 3.75 Inches of reflex and will be a molle. I nearly lost my left thumb when i was roughing it out yesterday. :-[ It was a very stupid mistake i made, or rather i very unwise decision i chose. I was using my table saw to thin the limbs. I left my hand in the way and the saw overpowered my grip and sent the wood in the direction the saw was spinning. my thumb was in the way and although i don't have any major injury it was a scary experience. I think ill stick to my band-saw for awkward ways of removing wood. Heres the pics of its profile and such
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Scary Indeed! Always listen to the little voice that says something bad is going to happen. Well, when you're using power tools anyway. Glad you escaped unscathed. Made a little progress on the lipstick.(http://)A little camouflage so to speak!
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Very sweet ;D
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way cool! nice work!
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very cool artwork !!what did paint you it with?
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Onebow, check out the post "pin nocks" .A few guys are talking about them right now.
Sa- A brush, ;)....................................and acrylic paints. Easiest to work with. You can even get a set at the dollar store now. A lot less expensive than my first set :o
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just acrylics OK, I am pen and pencil person but i need to start using a brush more.... really like the look of that with the stain in the background and the fine black outline in areas. you should do a whole back of a bow like that :)
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Wow Lostarrow! You're a great artist. I really like those designs.
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alrighty heres a look at how far i am. Its currently at a no-slack string.(taught but not braced.) And its at 21 inches draw. The other pic is unbraced. it has retained about 2 inches of the reflex that i put into it and it started at 3.75" Im looking for tillering critiques and other advice as to what might need adjusting.
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That's a real beauty foir sure Lostarrow. Nice artwork. Ionic what I see is a little stiff form the center out to the lever fades on both limbs.
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ionicmuffin, you need to brace that bow and get off the long string. If you are staying within you targeted draw weight and you have the tips moving 6 to 8 inche below the handle, it's ready to brace.
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ionicmuffin, you need to brace that bow and get off the long string. If you are staying within you targeted draw weight and you have the tips moving 6 to 8 inche below the handle, it's ready to brace.
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Iconicmuffin- I'm waiting with baited breath! Looks like you chose a high stressed design for that poor little piece of red oak. How much working limb and draw length are we looking for?
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Lostarrow, that Greenman is awesome. You are a very talented artist, I love the bow.
Grady
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36 inches of working limb and 24 of static. i heat treated the limbs and they are 2 inches wide.
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Good luck Iconic muffin. Can't wait to see it finished . This is Red Oak #4 for this trade for me. It will be nice to work with something else for a while. 1 broke and two were less than impressive. Have you tried this design with red oak?
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well, to be honest its not red oak, its white, thats all i have atm. If this fails then i will have to buy some red oak. I have tried this design with a kids bow, 1.5 inches wide and 56 inches long. It wasnt heat treated and took maybe half inch of set
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i'm glad you said it's white oak, with all that reflex red oak would be doomed to fail, WO is outstanding in tension and a much better choice, don't ever apologize for using WO, its a great bow wood, Bub
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yep, but ive noticed it takes a ton of set initially. But its near impossible to break.
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CHEATER!!!!!!!!. Just joking. I've nearly run out of red oak for bows myself and was thinking I might have to use some white or hickory just to give my guy a bow. I specifically recall seeing that a substitute was acceptable if no Red Oak was available locally,but I was on a mission >:(
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since i have the white oak and im short on cash i would rather not have to go spend more on one. but if i run out i will go get more lol.
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I messed up a key piece last night, ...but I'm not exactly starting over since I'm running 3 of them concurrently. I actually think I may be able to shorten the limbs and still get a bow out of the one bit that was ruined last night. I am finding, (which I guess I already knew), that the difference between starting to bend nicely and a limp hinge is VERY VERY VERY little wood.
OneBow
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I just glued the risers on 2 red oak victims. I'll thin the limbs down this evening. We'll see.
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Heres where im at. It is pulling around 45 at target draw, maybe less. What do you guys think? I think that the left side is hinging near the handle and isnt bending as much mid limb
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i'd work the outer on the left and mid out on the right
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ok, sounds good to me. If it comes in under weight i was wondering if i could just re heat treat the bow and add around 3 inches maybe four of reflex? what do you think?
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You could try ,but it might blow . Try putting a piece of cardboard or something behind your bow when tillering,so you don't get any optical illusions from the back ground. If there is any question to the bend,I flip it end for end and see if it tells the same story.Usually it doesn't. Try it, it'll surprise you. I've even drawn it a few inches on the stick and traced the outline on a blank piece of cardboard ,then flipped it over to compare limbs. Shipping mine out this week.
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well either way i just heat treated and re reflexed it. ill take it out in about 1-2 hrs. I am certain that it will be fine so long as i go slowly. Currently its 60 inches long. if it doesnt reach target weight(which before i heat treated it was near 40 at target draw.) Ill pike it because i still have room to play with. when im ready to sand id like it to be almost 50 lbs. if i can id like to keep it at about 45 when all is said and done. Ill report my progress tomorrow and maybe the reflex held tonight. No worries about it though because i wont ship until ive shot it a TON.
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OK. so its done with heat treating and it is holding 2.75 inches of reflex, im hoping to retain most of that. I will be finishing it tomorrow in terms of tiller.
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Plan A was going to come in way under weight after I thinned the limbs with the table saw then sanded the tool marks out.. Plan B will probably be under also. Plan C has potential. I'll be working on it the next 2 days, We'll see.
Man, this board bow stuff is harder to do than stave bows, because I'm trying to cut corners using power tools in a way that is not practical to do with a stave. I bet if I have to go to plan D, it will not come in under weight. I'm learning, which is actually why I joined this trade. :)
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ill agree with you there apple! im learning more than i thought i would. i have a bunch of tips i will use from now on.
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Is there another post that everyone is posting on? Curious to see all the designs.
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A few more pics of the "green man"
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That's an awesome looking bow lostarrow!
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ive got to go get more boards for it... oh well.
lost arrow! i love that bow that you made!
I think the biggest thing this trade has made me realize, im not as good as i thought i was!
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How is everyone else coming along. With the due date coming up it would be nice to see where everyone is at. Mine was shipped out almost a month ago but my recipient has not posted any pics. I know that he got the bow though and loved it.
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i havent got anything as of yet, i realize im late, so im just going to go the safe route and make a stable one and very simple, then if that succeeds then i might try something fancy and see if i can get it to work
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I am almost finished and have received mine but have not had the chance to take pics, basketball, baseball, softball, and track have kept me running. I will get some pics today and get them up.
Grady
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Hey lostarrow, Can you PM me or post on here the dimensions of that bow? :D thank you
Matt
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for the sake of keeping those dimensions secret he will probably pm you.
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No secrets here my friend.I'll post as soon as I can. We can't risk losing this knowledge again, like we almost did in past. The more people that know ,the better we all are,and the more we can all improve. I have started a journal with measurements,pics and performance(fps) to keep track of what works and what doesn't.Someone might find it usefull in a hundred years (or maybe just amusing ???)
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I have had a problem with my Red Oak trade bow. I still think I can save it, ...but if I am anything but certain that it will be good and stable for my recipient, I am going to drop back to "plan B". I just can't send out anything less than VERY awesome reliable... Luckily, I started 3 red oak bows at the same time so I'll get one out eventually.
OneBow
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Ill be working on my trade bow today. Not sure what i can get out of it. I have quite a bit of wood to work with, just trying to figure out if i want to make a lever bow or just pyramid style.
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go with a pyramid muffin, 1 3/4" at the fades 4" grip, 1 1/2" fades, get the limb thickness down just under 1/2" and you should be in the ball park, 68"ttt and you'll be o.k., Bub
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hmm. seems like ill have a bunch more wood left lol. one of them is 3 inches wide and the other is like 2.5
now one of them has to get ripped.
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if you start around 2" wide you will end up close to 1 3/4", glue a 8" or 9" pc on for the handle, you can use my build a long, you don't have to use a tablesaw, but all the steps are there
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Bubby, that's a great build-along. The only problem I'm having with it is user error. 1st attempted, I cut into the belly trying to remove the table sawn belly strip. 2nd attempt, after buying a new handsaw, I did the same thing. 3rd attempt I made the limb thickness a full 1/2". I nick the belly just a wee bit, but after removing the saw marks and the wee nick, I'm still coming in under weight. GRRR.
I've look for ANOTHER red oak board in the 2 Lowe's near me. I'm going to 2 more Lowes, tomorrow. Hopefully, they have a board with the grain needed.
Probably is I had a finer toothed table saw blade I would have made the weight on the 3rd attempt. Since, I'm having issue cutting out the belly strip with a handsaw, I'm going to stop the table saw cut an inch farther away from the handle and use my bandsaw to finish cutting out to the handle. And, I'm cutting it at 9/16th" to allow for user error.
I'm off work Thursday and Friday. If all goes well I'll be shipping my bow out the first of next week.
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a suggestion i might make hedge apple. if you are going to use the table saw, leave it around 5/8 inches and then when all's said and done you should wind up with a nice one.
Now for my progress report, ive finished cutting out the pyramid profile and ive glued on the handle riser and a set of tips. Should be ready to work in about 2 hrs.
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hedge what draw are you trying to get, those calcs on the build are for a 29" draw if you are going to use a shorter draw you may want to shorten up the bow some, how light are you coming in?
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The bow is 64" ntn, 8" handle for 28" @ 45. Mass is under or right at what it should be now on each of the bows. I strung the 3rd attempt. It's about 30#
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go a little wider at the fades, try 2 1/4"
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After a 60 mile round trip and a visit to 2 Lowe's, I found two, 1x4x10 with great grain in the middle sections of each. Hopely, I want screw these up, too.
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one more lesson i just learned... i just had a splinter pop on the bow im working on, i had put glue in it to fix it but it overpowered the glue, so either i sinew it shut or start a new one.
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glue it and wrap it
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Shipped this morning! Sorry my friend ,but you have to sign for it. That way it doesn't get left on the doorstep .
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would i need to use a sinew wrap or would it work to use another? im more than willing to use sinew.
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it's up to you, sinew or b-50 or some nice string, wrap it up and soak it in super glue if it is not the sinew
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and it needs to be super glue right? I have the gorilla glue, stuff that is 2x stronger than the original, but is superglue better?
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you want the runny super glue to saturate the thread and lock it all together, you can get 4 tubes for a buck and a half
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so i finished putting superglue in the crack, its the really runny stuff, literally oosed through the crack and out the other side and is drying up clamped right now, when its dry ill put a wrap on it and call it good.
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make shure you soak the wrap also
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ok, i chose to do a sinew wrap, its drying up now and probably by monday(the next day i can work on it) it will be ready for more torture >:D ::)
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I've been posting my progress on this thread:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,37563.msg506960.html#msg506960 (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,37563.msg506960.html#msg506960)
Three weeks of bad weather have put me a little behind schedule. I can only paint and polyurethane outside and we've had weeks of cold, wind, rain, and snow. It has been a terrible March.
Yesterday we had a nice day and I got the bow painted. Today and tonight I am going to do the detail painting. Tomorrow I should be able to polyurethane.
After that I all need to do is wrap the handle and make the good bowstring. I plan on the bow going out midweek.
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Matt you're looking good.... nice curles on those tips :)
Lostarrow what a great job on that bow.... you're finish work is very cool!!!
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Attempt #4 isn't coming in under weight. I left it really too thick. I have a lot of scraping to do. Hopefully, I'll get done today.
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Hows everybody coming along? Mines finished drying its band-aid out and is ready for tillering again.
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I've got mine to low brace. The tiller is looking pretty good, I just need to take some weight off.
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when i get back from classes today ill be working on my band-aid bow, ive been at low brace and will have to get it to high brace today if i wanna get it done soon.
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Polyurethane today and tomorrow. Wrap handle and make string Thursday. Enjoy shooting it over the weekend. Shed some tears and mail it off on Monday.
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Hey guys where is everyone at? We are past the due date and haven't seen anyone else ship one out yet... Let's all figure out where everyone is at.
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Mine shipped last week and should arrive tomorrow. Tracked the parcel and all is on track. The one I am to recieve will be late for a very understandable reason. May or June from what I gather.
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I need to work on the tiller on mine, an hour or two for tiller then its all finish work from then. Probably shipping by next friday.
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I'm off work for the next 3 days. The red oak board bow is my top priority. I needed to let it rest after the heating in a reflex. Don't give up on me. :)
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ok....im really starting to hate not having a stringer. every time i try to string the bow im working on to full brace it just goes capow... i was using the stepthrough method, i know, shame on me... i will be making a stringer... i was already at full draw(aprox 1-2 inches off brace.) when to string it higher and boom. I think its time i make a stringer since each time i use the push pull im just too much of wimp to get it strung and when i use the step through it goes boom. It was around 40-45 lbs at 26 inches maybe a bit more and it wasnt even at full brace, so i would guess 45-50 finished, if i still had it in one piece. Well, anyway, time to start another one...
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I should also add, the splinter that raised was broken in half, as in, it wasnt the source of the problem... so i guess i just screwed up with my desire to finish tiller tonight(was looking pretty darn good.)
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Sorry to hear your bow exploded
It was around 40-45 lbs at 26 inches maybe a bit more and it wasnt even at full brace, so i would guess 45-50 finished, if i still had it in one piece.
How would you know this without having fully braced the bow?
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Sorry to hear your bow exploded
It was around 40-45 lbs at 26 inches maybe a bit more and it wasnt even at full brace, so i would guess 45-50 finished, if i still had it in one piece.
How would you know this without having fully braced the bow?
It sounds like he had taken it to full draw off of the low brace or long string. Then, ...when he went to put it up to the standard brace, it blew up on him.
Imuffin - A little girl I saw at a street carnival/artfest thing, had to be taken to the ER for stitches from a laceration she got while using the step-thru method on a little PVC bow her dad made for her. I've been scared to use it ever since. Push-pull method for me!
OneBow
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i had it at 4 inches of brace. i wanted to get it to 6 so i could finish tiller. I will never use that method again. especially because it just doesnt work! so yes, i am going to make a stringer lol.
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Hey everyone! Mine has been in my garage for awhile now. I think it should be pretty well shot in (it's around 100 arrows) and has taken no set. I'll get it mailed out as soon as I can. I overbuilt the bow quite a bit but I think my recipient will like her. It's probably the most accurate bow I've ever built. I went safe and made a bow that was 2" wide and parallel in the mid limbs, so it looks a little weird for me from where I'm used to this style bow and 1 1/2" wide. Still though I hope her recipient will have fun with her.
Lost arrow- that's just my draw so I'm hoping that bow is headed to Berea :)
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Well ,I just tracked the parcel and it has been processed in the city of destination. That means it's on the truck and if no one is home to sign for it , Mr.-------- will have to go pick it up at the post office. Lets cross our fingers . I could stand on the packaging without budging it ,and it's sealed up with Tuck tape and stuffed in with lots of shopping bags at the ends as well as a couple of wood plugs.I think the packaging was 3x the weight of the bow ;)
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Man, you killing me ;D hope its headed my way lol.
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ok....im really starting to hate not having a stringer. every time i try to string the bow im working on to full brace it just goes capow... i was using the stepthrough method, i know, shame on me... i will be making a stringer... i was already at full draw(aprox 1-2 inches off brace.) when to string it higher and boom. I think its time i make a stringer since each time i use the push pull im just too much of wimp to get it strung and when i use the step through it goes boom. It was around 40-45 lbs at 26 inches maybe a bit more and it wasnt even at full brace, so i would guess 45-50 finished, if i still had it in one piece. Well, anyway, time to start another one...
muffin man, if you cant string it with push pull I doubt that you can shoot it, I have bowsover 70# draw and I use push pull, but yeah make a stringer, Bub
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idk man, it was so tall lol. I think that was my problem. it was stretching my arms out and just using up all my strength via leverage. I think stringer will be most beneficial.
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Would somebody let muffin use hickory so he can get his red oak swapper done!
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lol, ive got one more oak to try, if this fails then i might use hickory
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Would somebody let muffin use hickory so he can get his red oak swapper done!
lmmfao :laugh:
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Go for the Hickory ,Muffin man! Make her about 3" wide and 80"long.Soak it in oil for about a week first ,then introduce a little deflex at the handle ,just to be safe! ;)
It's all about the learning my friend , and you've been studying hard.
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I buried dad today so mine is a little delayed as well but I should be finished by the end of next week, I just have a little finish work to do and it will be ready to ship. I will get some pictures of it and the one I received up as soon as it is finished.
Grady
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Grady, I'm sorry for you lost. If you have my name don't worry about the bow. Take care of yourself and your family. My prayers are with you brother.
Dave
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Thanks for the prayers and concerns, the bow is done I just have to put on a couple more coats of sealer and put the grip on and its finished.
Grady
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I went to workshop today to "finish" tillering my trade bow. It just needs a little more bend at the fades really. But, I decided to flip the tips a little instead. I'll be tillering tomorrow.
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So hedge, you did this build right? you make the limb 2" wide for the first half and then pyramid tapper until the tips right? Working pretty good right?
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Sorry for your loss, Grady.Take care.
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I feel your loss, I've experienced loss before, not on that scale, but still, not fun, and it's something that takes priority over all other things.
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Ionic, I did a straight pyramid style.
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I GOT THE GREEN MAN! Wow what a pretty bow, I haven't had time to shoot/snap a pic.... But I will soon. Thanks so much Lostarrow! It's a seriously prime board bow, the paint job is superb! My wife and I are super impressed with the detail work of the strike plate and arrow rest. I just heard some honking from the air this afternoon so I may have to try my first go at goose bowhunting :)
My paper backing is finally dry, so I'm on the long string, priority #1 :)
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Glad you like it Matt. Hope you could make sense of the jibberish on the paper marked invoice. Happy hunting!
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sorry for your loss grady, prayers for you and your family.
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Hey Grady, I just saw where your dad passed away. I was sorry to hear that. We're praying for you here in Berea too. Just wanted to tell everyone that I finally said goodbye and shipped off my trade bow. If I had known how cheap it was to ship a bow through USPS I would have shipped it a lot sooner. It should arrive around Monday. Be looking for a cardboard package with blaze orange duct tape. I must apologize in advance for the box it comes in. It looks overly nasty but I couldn't get it to stick any other way. Oh well. At least what is inside is a lot prettier than the box. Happy bowyering!
Oh by the way, see my next post for pics...I'm so excited I finally got this site to post pictures!
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I think this is finally going to work and I'll be able to post pictures of my trade bow. Let's see.
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And for the money shot (I don't know what I'm doing with my thumb in the first one):
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Nice tiller there Oscar.
I got mine trade bow braced and pulling 50@22. I'm going to linen back the bow, just because I'm out of time to get this done. So, I want the added insurance. I wish I had remember to take a picture of it on the tree. It looks pretty good. I just need to finess another 6" out of it. This is the fun stage. I love it.
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Nice! I really like the pointed overlays.
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Sweet bow oscar! as of now i have just glued up my last bit of redoak. so tomorrow i might get some tillering in(crosses fingers) i cut it down to half an inch before glue up since this one is going to be a pyramid as well. So, first things to remember to tell myself. always use stringer(have yet to make it) and another thing, dont rush, lol. I will probably add a backing to it(linen?) as to avoid any nasty little suprises like splinters. I dont think one will come up, and because im going to round the edges super smooth before tillering and will be doing everything to keep it from having splinters i think it wont have one.
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Ionic, the area under the riser of the stave needs to be thicker than the limbs of the bow. Otherwise it will want to bend, causing the riser handle to pop off. Having never build a board bow, I'm just going by what I've read over the years.
This is the build-along I used as a guide. Warning: be VERY carefull when you cut the belly strip out. One or 2 stokes of the saw cutting into belly of the limb will have you under weight.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,35312.0.html
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well...ive already done the glue up and taken a bit off, hopefully it wont matter. well have to see how this goes. If not then im buying a hickory handle and making a bow(or maybe find a nice board.)
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Received! I got oscar3b's bow! a hefty 55 lbs at 30 inches ;D One beautiful bow too! One question though oscar, is the brace height supposed to be around 3.5 inches? After receiving this bow i know its time to get my rear end it high gear! ;D Either way, this bow beats my hickory by a bunch, the most set i see is 3/4 inches. very impressive! This WILL be my hunting bow! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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more of this awesome bow! ;D
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Thanks Iconic, Matt, and Hedge! I appreciate the kind words. Oh man! I was looking at the picture and it looks like the tip broke in shipping. I'll know better than to make one that sharp ever again. Feel free to reshape that and make it prettier if you'd like.
Also, I had taken the string off this past weekend to play around with another bow. I was thinking that it wouldn't hurt anyways to make sure the string would hold together. After finishing shooting, I took both strings off of both bows and both looked the same laying there. Anyways after sending you the PM I went back and looked at the pictures and it kind of looks like I sent you the wrong string too, though I could be wrong. Anyways I guess if it can go wrong it probably will. If the serving is in the wrong place it is because I was rushing and wasn't careful to check the string again or make sure the brace height was set. Either way you are welcome to pull that serving off too if it isn't in the right place.
Lol! If I did mess up that bad I'm sorry but I still appreciate the kind words. Happy shooting and thanks again!
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Thought id share what ive done with the bow i received, thought that since there was Dacron lacing, i would remove it and add leather, making the bow look even better. Heres the results. I dont think i in any way degraded the original, instead, i think i accented what was already there. I even kept the same lace pattern because i though that would be proper.
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Muffin man, I am sort of at a loss for words on that change you made. Don't take this as chastising , but for some reason that seems a bit awkward to me. It sure looks like he put a lot of effort into that bow for you and to go changing this and that seems, I don't know, a bit like saying it wasn't good enough for you. I could be all wrong on that. I can say that I'm truly glad that you won't be inheriting the Sistine chapel. I have a mental image of you on a scaffolding, can of krylon in hand, merrily adjusting Michelangelo's finest work to your suiting. Maybe I'm speaking out of turn here. It just seems like bad form to me. Josh
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I work on my trade bow a bit this evening. I need some final tweaking on the tiller. It looks good, but I think it could be better. And I have 1 1/2 to go. The weight is right on target. After resting it comes back to nearly flat through the limbs. The tips are flipped a little so the tips are about 1 1/4 reflex from the plane of the handle. All and all, I'm pretty happy with it. I can't wait to shoot it in.
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Gun Doc, the reason i made this change, was mainly because the handle wrap was loose, i refuse to change the tips though, even though they were a bit damaged in shipping. Basically, i did not do it mostly for astetic reasons, it was perfectly fine the way it was. However, since i needed to tighten the wrap anyway, i figured since i have the material to do the change. If oscar doesnt like it im more than willing to change it back.
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Also, i should say that i appreciate EVERY bit of work he did on this bow. He put a lot of work into it, i really appreciate that.
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I never meant to imply that you had any malicious intent on making the change. This is one of those situations where actions speak louder than words and as such, the action can be misinterpreted more easily than words. When you get one of them boards to cooperate and get to the finishing part, I imagine that you will start to sweat the details and really start second guessing every step you make on that bow. I know I sure do when I make one for somebody. That stress doesn't quit at the post office. I keep sweating every bow I make for someone for months after they receive it. When and if you start to feel that way, stop and think about this situation. I think you will start to understand what I'm talking about. I hope you don't have any hard feelings about this. Every once in a while I get on somebody's case about something and it's usually one of you young fellas. I hope you guys understand that its done with your best intentions at heart. If I didn't think you guys had potential, I wouldn't bother saying anything. Yes, even them two squirrels. I hope you pick up at least a little of what I'm layin down. Josh
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Thank you. I understand what your saying.
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Finishing up the polyurethane and should ship by Friday. I just didn't like the finish and wanted to touch it up.
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I've read on here at least 100 times, "without pictures it never happened." haha Well, I've been talking about my building process but have not posted any proof/pictures. Here it is. The tiller isn't perfect but pretty good I think. I'm calling her done. I just need put the lipstick on her and shoot her in a bit. It take about 1 1/4 inch string follow after unstringing her; goes to about 1/2" after resting. She's drawing 50 @ 28". I expect it a drop a little after shooting her in.
Oh, I linen backed her.
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Nice tiller hedge! I'd take that any day!
Hey iconic and gun doc I've been reading and I totally understand what both of you are getting at. Just to leave a little peace hopefully everywhere I agree with both of you. As far as I'm concerned iconic I'm glad you care about it enough to make it your own. I also do kinda wish you would go ahead and shape those tip overlays because of the shipping damage. That is if you want to.
Hey gun doc I do appreciate you trying to take up for me and if it were anyone else I could see someone being offended as you say. I wasn't offended in any way but I could see where some would get hurt at that. Like I said luckily I'm not one of them but I do worry about my bows that go out and I know I put as much heart into every one as I can. Again I appreciate your kind words
Iconic I also appreciate how much you like the bow so go ahead and make it your own. It really won't hurt my feelings a bit if you would like to change anything. It is your bow after all (http://)
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Ben, thanks for the compliment. Unfortunately, we didn't draw each other's name. I was hoping that would happen so we could meet at Cracker Barrel and exchange bows :)
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Well Ben, your obviously a pretty easy going guy and I like that. The truth be told, it wasn't none of my business. I been ridin' a grouch that has nothing to do with the fine folks on here and yet I've taken it out on some for little stuff that's none of my affair. For that I'm truly sorry. I'll try to behave myself from now on. Josh
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No big deal Josh, no hurt or hard feelings at all.
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Well, I have to say,Gundoc , it seems to have been handled with the utmost of diplomacy by all involved. I don't think it was wrong of you to present good form. I think all would agree with your statement. And a very respectful reply by the muffin man put everything straight.This should be a lesson in how all matters should be handled, on this site ,and the world stage. We'd all be better for it. :D
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Here is my trade bow, it is ready to ship but I still want to shoot it a bit more just to be sure. It is 57" ntn, 43# @28". I hope my recipient likes it, it sure feels good in the hand.
Grady
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Auto, I like the side nocks. How wide is your bow. I' was thinking about a D-bow with the extra piece of red oak I have.
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1 1/4" at the handle and 3/4" at the nock.
Grady
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I shot my trade bow yesterday. It's pretty sweet actually. There's been more than a few "adult" words uttered, shouted in my workshop during this build. Some were something to the affect, "I'll never make another red oak board bow, again." But, after shooting this bow. I"ll probably make more of them.
I'm dressing her up today. Should be shipped on Monday.
I'll post pics when she's ready for her close-up.
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I think the only thing I don't really like about a red oak board bow is finding a real good board, it seems like the hardest for me to pick out,
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Hey auto. That thing is awesome man! I love it.
You know Hedge I really thought you had my name man. Especially when I saw the bow you made was 50# @ 28". I even told MattS I thought you had my name lol! Oh well. We may just have to meet sometime at the Cracker Barrel and exchange some laughs then.
Gun Doc I appreciate the kind words. I don't feel like you stuck your nose in at all. In my opinion, the young need to learn from those that have more experience than we do. You're right in that I try to be as easy going as I can be.
Thanks to all. Can't wait to get my trade bow. Whoever it is out there just know that the suspense is KILLING me!
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im running a bit behind on mine, ill see where i can get this week. Sorry to my trade recipient.
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you might send him a pm to let him know whats up muffy, I don't know whats so hard with red oak, I built two last Thursday >:D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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:'( :'( :'( :'( your teasing bub! you beast!
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yeah I'm giving y'all a hard time, :laugh:, but I ain't lieing all I got to do is sand and seal
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Bubby, that's what I said until I actually attempted to make a bow from a red oak board. haha Well, most of my mistakes were trying to take advantage of dimensional lumber to speed up the process, especially when it came to reducing the belly with power tools. haha Anyhow, I think it I made a few more I could get the process down to well under 10 hours.
Bubby, btw, what kind of blade to you use on your table saw for cutting out the excess belly wood? I used a ripping blade and it left a lot of tool marks to sand out.
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hedge I use one with lots of teeth and a thin kerf, more teeth=less marks, I haven't used the tablesaw for quite a while, just been using my bandsaw and farriers rasp, even on the two I built last Thursday
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I made my trade 2 1/2 wide. I really thought about using the bandsaw, but was afraid of were the bottom part of the blade was cutting. I'm still learning the finer points of bandsawing. :) I probably could have angled the board like I do when laying out a stave bow, then rasp the ridge. I might try that the next time. I was just out of time and materials to try something else new.
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Ok, so, I know it's crazy late, but I put my trade bow in the mail today. I apologize to the recipient!! It should be there friday. I tillered it to 28", but my draw is only 26". I hope he likes it. Again, sorry it's late.
Tattoo Dave
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I didn't like the pain job I put on the bow. So, I sanded it and started over. I'm happy with my cave man drawings now. I just need to sign and put another coat of poly on it. I'm heading to the Classic first thing in the morning. So it will be next week before it's shipped. Oh, I've got to make a string for it, also. I'll do that at the classic.
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OK, when I got home last night, there was a long PVC tube at my door!!! It was from Oregon. I've yet to open it, ...but I am itching to do so! I still haven't gotten my trade bow shipped out, so I feel like I need to finish my work before I start my play. :-[ :-[ :-[
I'll post pix as soon as I'm 'allowed' to open my new toy...
OneBow
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Tattoo Dave,
Received your (or is it my?) bow today! Fantastic! Great paint job and you went all out including a nock button and silencers!
I was on my way out when it arrived and only got to string it. I'll post some pics and give it it's own thread when I get home. Oh, and I'll shoot it too!
Tell me about the matching arrows. What are the shafts made of? And the arrowheads as well. The arrows are beautiful.
Thanks for all the hard work!
Matt
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Hey Matt, Glad ya like it! The arrows are bamboo, just steel trade points. My draw is 26", so it was shot in at that draw, let me know if anything goes south with it, and I'll send ya another.
Tattoo Dave
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I'm officially jealous after looking through some of these pics. Seriously, a lot of talent here, guys!
Quick question; about how much set do you guys get with your red oak bows? I've been averaging about 1.5"-2" when just unbraced with a 70 or 72" long bow. My next one is going to be 68" ntn, so I was wondering if there's something I'm doing wrong?
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Shiloh, I'm no expert on red oak board bows by any stretch of the imagination. This is what I did and it seemed to work. I heated in about 2" of recurve and I heat tempered it 3 or 4 times during the tillering process. Work slowly, fix problems as you see them.
Prep time and funds went to the classic last week. The bow will be sent this week, I promise.
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Well, I was going to send the bow out today, but while taking pictures of it yesterday, I realized I still hadn't glued on an arrow rest or strike plate, or made a new string for it. Anyhow here's the pic
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I hope my caveman art work isn't too corny. The half and hunter on each limb is suppose to representing "hunting sunrise to sunset"
I forgot to take a braced picture, sorry. The fd pic is only 26". I deleted the longer draw pic from the camera by accident.
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Very nice Hedge, how many still have not received a bow. We need to hurry up and get them finished and sent out it is past the deadline.
Grady
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I've talked to the guy I'm supposed to finish one for, we are sorted out so everything is alright, ill be doing my best to finish one up in a week or two, well see.
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I think it is a good idea that everyone that hasn't sent a bow contact the person you are building for. Seems as tho this trade is falling by the wayside which is disappointing. I'm with you grady I haven't received one either.
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What was the deadline for shipping a bow? I'm putting on the finishing touches on my trade bow this weekend.
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Grady, or whoever is heading up the swap. Please send me a list of names once the dust settles. Its good information to have when setting up future swaps. Non communicating dead beats can stay out of anything I am part of heading up. Ive noticed a few repeat customers over the last 4-5 swaps done on here.
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Gordon and pearl the deadline was march 31st. Pearl I will get a list to you of who hasn't shipped. I started to put one together last night to figure out who hasn't shipped yet. I will only join the big swaps from now on. This one gave me a bad taste in my mouth after busting my hump n gettin mine done almost a month early.
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The guy building a bow for me, contacted me a couple weeks ago. He's having personal issues that are demanding all of his time at the moment. I told him to take his time, I completely understand his situation. Actually, I'm VERY pleased and lucky that he drew my name. I don't mind waiting at all.
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That's understanding hedge Apple but there are some names on the list I believe that haven't even made a peep. It's ok if someone reaches out but to sign up and vanish isn't right. I'm not mad but more disappointed.
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Yikes, I didn't realize the deadline was that far gone. I'll contact my assignment and let him know it will be on its way soon.
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The guy building a bow for me, contacted me a couple weeks ago. He's having personal issues that are demanding all of his time at the moment. I told him to take his time, I completely understand his situation. Actually, I'm VERY pleased and lucky that he drew my name. I don't mind waiting at all.
+1. My guy let me know through Grady, a long time before the deadline. I think it was going to be at least mid may before he was able to start. Given his circumstance ,I would expect it to take a while to get it done.
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I'll make a bow for someone who has been completely stiffed in the trade. Just send me the info, Grady.
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I don't mind making another one as well. I wanna help out as well.
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i also shipped but have not received ;)
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Just a little note on behalf of WoodbenderDW. He's been working diligently on his bow for this trade,but has run into some bad luck,wood ,etc.(I think he's about fed up with Red Oak) ;) He's coming over again tonight to work on his bow. (a couple of us get together once a week in my shop). I think he's on the short string.Should be done soon.
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I have the list, if you haven't received a bow send me a PM I will contact your sender and see what is up.
Grady
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OK, so ive started a new bow for my guy, decided to go with ipe handle risers with oak in between the two pieces. Ill stick ipe tip overlays on it later.
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So the work is being put in :D I'm really liking the look of ipe in the handle riser and I put some on the tips, it's going to be a nice bow to look at if it turns out ;D
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Alright, here is the proof of my work. The tips are far from where they need to be and so is the handle, but I'll save that work for after tiller.
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I hope it's just me, but the grain in that last pic appears to be running at a terrible angle? ???
See these red lines I drew. Am I right or mistaken? If the grain does run like this, it will be close to impossible to make a bow from this piece of wood!
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not entirely sure, if it is im just going to go for it and see what comes of it. this is hickory, so i don't know if that makes a diff. I dont have the money to buy a new red oak board so i figured i would go with this and see what happens.
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its just at the tip where it does that grain swirl upwards, otherwise its pretty much flat the entire length.
If this concerns any of you i can tiller it out to 1 or 1.5 inches past draw and also i can shoot it a ton before sending it. and by a ton i mean like 400 times.
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Iconic, the last 4 to 6 inches (6" is better) are not bending anyhow. And depending of the style of bow, say one with longer levers, it may be up to 8 or 10 inches of non-bending tips. So it should matter.
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Yikes, I didn't realize the deadline was that far gone. I'll contact my assignment and let him know it will be on its way soon.
Hey Gordon, I think you're in the wrong thread. This is the Red Oak board bow trade, you didn't enter this one, did you? The deadline for the main bow trade isn't until August.
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its a pyramid styled bow, so basically most of the bend should be in the fades and inner third. although there will be bend in the middle too. I can leave the last 6 inches alone
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Yep, you are right Weylin. I got these threads mixed up. So instead of being late, I finished my bow early!
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Here is the progress I've made. I have it at 5 inch brace. I will post some pictures of the draw tomorrow after my classes. Pyramid profile 64 inches long. The limb that the arrow points to is not bending as much as the one that has no arrow pointing at it. It looks imbalanced doesn't it? I've got some work to do but I think it will come out to about 40-45 lbs at 26"
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that's looking good muffy, and you diagnosed it right, slow and steady stays the course
I measure from back of bow to string at each fade and try to get the same number, remember to exercise after scrapping then measure from both fades for an even tiller
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Should I just try to even the tiller from the brace profile first and then when it looks even I should see where I'm at?
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no you have to work the limbs after each removal, then check it, how far have you bent it so far, you can work the limbs just going to 15" work them 50 times then check it, once you get it even you can work it out to 20" or so on the tree nice and easy, then I start shooting arrows at a short draw and just work my way out to full draw, put a pc of tape on the arrow at full draw, if that is 26" i'd go 27" for safety, you can shoot at a target from like 5 yds or just shoot in the dirt till it gets worked out
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Bubby has probably made more bows than I have, and probably better bow too. But I don't understand this logic. Bubby, I'm not trying to be an "A". I'm looking to learn, also.
In my way of thinking, Muffin you probably haven't pulled the bow pass your target weight. You've have the tips bending 6 to 8 inches so you've braced the bow. Now you see there's an issue with the right limb being a bit stiff. Why would you continue to pull/work the bow before you fix the problem. Continuing to work the bow when there's an issue is unduly stressing the weaker part of the bow. That's just my humble opinion.
I do scrape a bow when it's braced. Maybe I shouldn't. But I do. I will take it out of the vice and draw it a couple inches for several pulls to allow the bow to re-set itself. I may pull it 10 or 20 times. I have seen a few of the better bowyers on her do this. But, maybe they're just as lazy as I am. :)
Again, Bubby, I would love to hear more of you thoughts on our different ways of making a bow. I'm sure I can learn from you.
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Ok, here's the work I've gotten done. The set is around 1 3/4 inches at the moment, considering that the MC is probably 9% or a tad less it's probably taken a bit more because of that. I also have had some tillering mistakes so I think part could be because of those. Here's the unbraced pic, vids are coming of them working the limbs.
First: http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/ionicmuffin/media/MVI_6416_zps5af8dbaa.mp4.html?sort=3&o=1
Second: http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/ionicmuffin/media/MVI_6417_zps3d5e9e93.mp4.html?sort=3&o=0
My voice sounds weird to me on camera, ignore it if you want.
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mark some arrows at 26"draw and shoot it 25 times, check tiller, shoot 25 more, check tiller,25 times, check tiller, shoot 25 more, check tiller. make corrections if needed. and then finish :)
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sweet! sounds like im on the home stretch! Thanks!
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hedge, first off he has the bow to full brace so I know he's pulled it to 15", I leave my bows braced when i'm tillering and scrape where I need, but if you don't exercise the limbs they wont release their shape, and you stand the risk of missing target weight or messing up the tiller further, if you just scrape till it is even without exercising the limbs all kinds of things can go wrong.
actually bracing and unbracing a bow is bad for the bow imo.
don't know if that made any sense it's 2 a.m. and i'm tired :laugh:
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hedge, first off he has the bow to full brace so I know he's pulled it to 15", I leave my bows braced when i'm tillering and scrape where I need, but if you don't exercise the limbs they wont release their shape, and you stand the risk of missing target weight or messing up the tiller further, if you just scrape till it is even without exercising the limbs all kinds of things can go wrong.
actually bracing and unbracing a bow is bad for the bow imo.
don't know if that made any sense it's 2 a.m. and i'm tired :laugh:
It's a lot quicker if you leave it braced as well. By the time you get to short string ,there should only be touch up and minor weight reduction to do. If you're nervous about nicking the string , you can put a plastic strip on the back of your scraper. I pick them up at Staples Business Depot. They are used for the edge of clear document covers to hold the papers inside.Cut them to the length you need. I exercise the bow between 30-50 times between each material removal.
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Bubby, thanks. We're pretty much on the same. :) I did miss the part that muffin had already pulled the bow to 26". I agree you have to work the bow after wood removal for the adjustments to settle in. Since he's already pulled the bow to 26" you're suggestion of working it at 15" then progressing makes A LOT of sense. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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So I'm just wondering if everybody has been accounted for, are we all set on this trade?
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Not yet.
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Anyone else not received this bow yet? just curious if I'm the only one.
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Whoever is running this swap, please PM names of any and all late parties please.
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PM has been sent with all the names and who they were to make one for as well as who has shipped as far as I can tell.
Grady
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I have not recieved a bow yet either. I did ship one though.
Tattoo Dave
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So this 2012 swap ended about 5 months ago and about 30% still haven't shipped. That's embarrassing.
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So this 2012 swap ended about 5 months ago and about 30% still haven't shipped. That's embarrassing.
+1. I would be embarrassed to show my face here if I never followed through on that. stuff like that will destroy these great trades. No one will be willing to police it and no one should be expected to do it
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come on now guys, trudge on and fulfill your trades, you can do it
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Oddly enough, three of the guys that didn't ship in this trade are also involved in the 2013 PA swap.
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Well that's no good.....
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Im not any fun to play with Bryce. It wont be easy for them if things don't get resolved very soon.
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Apparently, and update to the group is in order, though I have been in touch with my recipient directly.
I'm still working on my RO Trade bow. Worked on the latest re-vision on it last night. I have been in touch with my recipient and have been keeping him apprised of my progress and issues along the way. I've sent him some pictures and had good talks with him about the bow(s) I've been trying to make. I'm still having fun with this trade, and I think he is too. He will get a bow out of it in the end, ...but I'm not inclined to send him something second rate. My purpose from the outset has been to have fun making someone a bow, ...not to get one. Someone did send me a bow, but it remains in the tube it was shipped in yet unopened. I'm excited to see it, but I want to finish the one I can ship first. Heck, I even offered to send my recipient the one that had been sent to me sight unseen, but he declined as he preferred to wait for the one I was making for him.
I have explained to my recipient that there have been a number of life things that have gotten in the way of completeing his bow. I think he understands. Not to make excuses, I hate to be so late, ...but frankly, I've had a bad time of it. I've had two come in WAY underweight, one bust, and another never even came together from the get-go (overly complex design). I carried two candidates to MOJAM with me last week hoping that one of them would prove to be the one I could ship, but both were underweight. Trapping RO really saps the pounds of draw weight out of a bow REAL QUICK I found! I'm on plan E now, which has built upon the things I've learned from A - D. My fingers are crossed...
OneBow
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not fair to the guy who sent you a bow - - he wants to know what you think, and he wants some public props that he did send his bow on time and how much you like it, etc. . . .
my 2 cents.
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Well this thing ended about 6 months ago. Surprisingly enough 3 of the people who haven't shipped are also on the 2013 PA Trade list as not shipped. Surprise, surprise. "Life" getting in the way is a crap excuse. I see these people spend hours each day right here, yet cant seem to get bows out because "life" got in the way. Its BS and you people know it.
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If you have not received your bow from the bow trade PM me and I will make sure that you get one.
Grady